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This article was contributed by Aquariums Advice member 7Enigma
Before reading this article you should familiarize yourself with the Nitrogen Cycle.
There always seems to be a large number of posts in this forum about fishless cycling, and I wanted to put this article together to help folks get through this rather boring period of time between starting up a tank and introducing your fish/inverts. My intent with this article is to reduce the cycle time as much as possible; while giving the science behind why a particular step is taken. Frequently in this hobby we are told to do something without understanding the underlying reason and that is not a good thing. This is why so many people get discouraged with this hobby and leave. Please note: I feel fishless cycling is the ONLY way a tank should be prepared for fish.
Let's go over the basics very quickly as I'm sure most of you have read this over and over:
The purpose of cycling is to build up the beneficial bacteria in a tank that feed off the waste materials of your fish/inverts. Without these present in great enough numbers, your fish will kill themselves with their own waste. By building up these bacteria prior to adding in fish, you avoid harming your fish. Unlike traditional cycling where a small amount of hearty fish are introduced into a tank, and slowly additional fish are added, fishless cycling (when properly performed) allows for a complete stocking of the tank at once. This is a huge benefit, and one which is often overlooked.
The 2 types of bacteria we are looking to grow convert ammonia (fish waste which is quite toxic) to nitrIte (actually more toxic than ammonia but not as long term damaging), and finally to nitrAte (relatively non-toxic unless allowed to build up to large amounts). So that's:
ammonia---->nitrIte--->nitrAte
The first conversion to nitrIte occurs faster than the second conversion to nitrAte. Once the cycle is completed PWC's are required to keep the nitrAte level acceptable (general consensus is <40ppm) unless plants are present.
OK, now that all the boring stuff is out of the way lets get to speeding up your fishless cycle!
If you have a completely new tank, these are the steps you want to do in the order they should be done for the most "bang for your buck":
-Setup the tank, put all filters/heaters/decorations/etc in place. Fill your tank up with tap water. DO NOT USE A DECHLORINATOR AT THIS TIME!
-Turn everything on and make sure it all works. Better to find out now that the heater is broken, then 2 weeks into the cycle when nothing is happening
-Let the tank run for 30 minutes or so and check for leaks/malfunctions
-Now add in your dechlorinator (I prefer Prime). Waiting to use a dechlorinator essentially sterilizes your tank from any contaminants (especially if you have chloramines in your tap water).
-Purchase a good liquid reagent test kit that tests ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte, pH, etc. A lot of us on here use the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals FreshWater Master Test Kit (AP test kit for short).
-Now you need an ammonia source! Many fishkeeper's forget this step and without food, the bacteria will not multiply. Pure ammonia is the easiest and best way to do a fishless cycle however, you can use fish food or a raw shrimp but measurements will not be as accurate. You need to find pure ammonia that does not contain any additives such as detergents or scents.
-With the ammonia purchased, and your test kit handy, dose the tank to ~5ppm ammonia. If you add too much, do a Partial water change to reduce the level, if you add too little, dose more. It doesn't need to be exact, but just aim for 3-5ppm. Every couple of days test the ammonia level, when it gets below 1ppm, add more ammonia to keep the level above 1ppm. Normally when I see it get below 1ppm, I dose 3-4ppm back in. Never let it go to zero (until the cycle is finished) or you risk killing off your ammonia to nitrIte bacteria!
-Turn your heater up! Aim for 85-87F. This increased temperature speeds up the metabolism of the bacteria which reduces the cycle time.
-Turn on any bubble wands, lower the water an inch or two if using HOB filters, turn on any PH's you might have. Increasing agitation increases the dissolved O2 levels which bacteria like/want/need.
-Buy/borrow a small bottle of pH down. Add 1-2 drops per 4 gallons of tank water. These pH products contain large amounts of phosphates which your bacteria need to grow. This small amount will not affect the pH of the tank and will supply all the phosphate needed. Lots of "my cycle stopped/stalled" posts can be attributed to phosphate deficiency. A small amount of fishfood can probably also be substituted in place of this.
-Add in a VERY small amount of flake fish food. When I mean small I mean microscopic! About the size of a grain or 2 of rice. Pulverize it into a very fine powder and add it in. This will take care of any trace elements required by the bacteria and probably the phosphate requirement as well.
-Now its time to seed the tank! This is the single most important step in the entire cycle. The more seed material you can procure, the faster the cycle will go. Seed material is anything you can take from an established tank. Filter media (sponges/floss/ceramic media) is the #1 best. This stuff is FULL of bacteria and exactly what you want. Next up would be substrate (sand/gravel). And last but not least would be decorations/ornaments. Do you have a friend with a gaudy/hideous pink castle that's been in his goldfish tank for 3 years? Beg/plead/steal it from him/her for a couple of weeks. But make sure you keep anything wet in the tank water until you can add it to your tank If it dries out in transit, the bacteria's dead!
With your tank setup and seed material you now want to maximize colonization of the surfaces. If you are given a piece of filter media squish it in the tank water first. This will cloud the tank with bacteria laden particles. These will fly all over the tank and "seed" the surfaces with bacteria. Then put the filter material in your filter. It doesn't matter if it's not made to fit, find a way to get it in there. HOB and canister filters normally allow for several compartments, make one of them the seed filter material. Place it at the FRONT of the filtering. By that I mean put the seed material as the first thing the water hits when entering the filter. This will cause any bacteria that is released from the seed material to contact the new filter first, which is where you want the bacteria to be.
If you are given substrate (and don't mind it in the tank) spread it out all over the bottom. This maximizes surface area and will allow the most contact with the bacteria and food source.
If the substrate is something you don't want in the tank after the cycle put it in the foot of a new UNWASHED piece of pantyhose. Rinse the pantyhose under tap water but make sure it never went in the wash. Detergents/fabric softener will kill your tank! Squish the substrate around every day or two. You'll notice it will cloud the tank. This is a good thing as bacteria is being released into the water. This is how I cycled my 20 gallon. I did not have filter media, only a small amount of gravel from an established tank. I put 1/2 the gravel in a filter insert in my HOB, and the rest in some pantyhose (since I had PFS and didn't want the gravel). A couple of weeks after the cycle finished I removed the seed gravel (you don't want to remove it too soon or you may cause a minicycle).
Now for a note about bacteria. They are surface adherers. That is, very little of the bacteria is present in the water itself, the majority is attached to the surfaces in the tank. This means that a PWC during the cycle is not necessarily a bad thing. It's normally not needed, but if it is for some reason (say you overdose on the ammonia), don't fret!
A quick word on pH. Ideally you want the pH of the tank to be ~7.5. The ammonia to nitrIte bacteria prefer a higher pH (closer to 8.0), while the nitrIte to nitrAte bacteria prefer a lower pH (closer to 7.3). Go too high and your nitrItes will build up, go too low and your ammonia won't get converted. If you have a pH crash (either too high or too low, say pH 6.0 or pH 9.0) you have to do a PWC. At these ranges your bacteria will seriously begin to slow down metabolism.
Keep the tank lights off and direct/indirect sunlight to a minimum. This time in the tank is RIPE for algae outbreaks. High ammonia levels, steady CO2 levels (from high aeration), and possible light can cause your tank to look like pea soup. The bacteria do NOT require a light source, and in fact, direct sunlight can cause the bacteria to multiply slower. Bottom line, keep it dark!
So now you have the perfect temperature, a steady food source with trace elements in abundence, good oxygen levels, your all set!
When you see your ammonia level drop to below 1ppm, increase it back up to 3-5ppm. You will most likely build up a LARGE amount of nitrIte because the bacteria that convert nitrIte to nitrAte were at a disadvantage waiting for their food (nitrIte). I've often thought of creating a product of pure nitrIte for cycling. That way you can dose both ammonia and nitrIte at the beginning which would speed up the entire cycle. Now don't go and steal my idea!
Watch your nitrAte levels. When they start to rise wait about 5-7days and, if your nitrIte levels are really high (>10ppm), I'd recommend a large PWC to bring the number down into a readable range. This will not affect the cycle, and will keep you sane as you can watch the levels vary. You might see the levels continue to go up as you will still have more ammonia converting bacteria, but if you watch the nitrAtes you'll know your heading in the right direction. Several members on here have really been done the cycle, but because there was so much nitrIte in the tank they didn't know it! (hint I was one of them....)
Once you can convert 1-2ppm ammonia completely to nitrAte in 24hours or less you can do a large (or several) large PWC's to get the nitrAtes below 40ppm (<20ppm preferably). Now decrease the tank temperature to 78-82F if housing tropicals, otherwise whatever temperature you need. Make sure the temp is stable before addition of fish.
Now your all set to fully or near fully stock your tank!
Before reading this article you should familiarize yourself with the Nitrogen Cycle.
There always seems to be a large number of posts in this forum about fishless cycling, and I wanted to put this article together to help folks get through this rather boring period of time between starting up a tank and introducing your fish/inverts. My intent with this article is to reduce the cycle time as much as possible; while giving the science behind why a particular step is taken. Frequently in this hobby we are told to do something without understanding the underlying reason and that is not a good thing. This is why so many people get discouraged with this hobby and leave. Please note: I feel fishless cycling is the ONLY way a tank should be prepared for fish.
Let's go over the basics very quickly as I'm sure most of you have read this over and over:
The purpose of cycling is to build up the beneficial bacteria in a tank that feed off the waste materials of your fish/inverts. Without these present in great enough numbers, your fish will kill themselves with their own waste. By building up these bacteria prior to adding in fish, you avoid harming your fish. Unlike traditional cycling where a small amount of hearty fish are introduced into a tank, and slowly additional fish are added, fishless cycling (when properly performed) allows for a complete stocking of the tank at once. This is a huge benefit, and one which is often overlooked.
The 2 types of bacteria we are looking to grow convert ammonia (fish waste which is quite toxic) to nitrIte (actually more toxic than ammonia but not as long term damaging), and finally to nitrAte (relatively non-toxic unless allowed to build up to large amounts). So that's:
ammonia---->nitrIte--->nitrAte
The first conversion to nitrIte occurs faster than the second conversion to nitrAte. Once the cycle is completed PWC's are required to keep the nitrAte level acceptable (general consensus is <40ppm) unless plants are present.
OK, now that all the boring stuff is out of the way lets get to speeding up your fishless cycle!
If you have a completely new tank, these are the steps you want to do in the order they should be done for the most "bang for your buck":
-Setup the tank, put all filters/heaters/decorations/etc in place. Fill your tank up with tap water. DO NOT USE A DECHLORINATOR AT THIS TIME!
-Turn everything on and make sure it all works. Better to find out now that the heater is broken, then 2 weeks into the cycle when nothing is happening
-Let the tank run for 30 minutes or so and check for leaks/malfunctions
-Now add in your dechlorinator (I prefer Prime). Waiting to use a dechlorinator essentially sterilizes your tank from any contaminants (especially if you have chloramines in your tap water).
-Purchase a good liquid reagent test kit that tests ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte, pH, etc. A lot of us on here use the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals FreshWater Master Test Kit (AP test kit for short).
-Now you need an ammonia source! Many fishkeeper's forget this step and without food, the bacteria will not multiply. Pure ammonia is the easiest and best way to do a fishless cycle however, you can use fish food or a raw shrimp but measurements will not be as accurate. You need to find pure ammonia that does not contain any additives such as detergents or scents.
-With the ammonia purchased, and your test kit handy, dose the tank to ~5ppm ammonia. If you add too much, do a Partial water change to reduce the level, if you add too little, dose more. It doesn't need to be exact, but just aim for 3-5ppm. Every couple of days test the ammonia level, when it gets below 1ppm, add more ammonia to keep the level above 1ppm. Normally when I see it get below 1ppm, I dose 3-4ppm back in. Never let it go to zero (until the cycle is finished) or you risk killing off your ammonia to nitrIte bacteria!
-Turn your heater up! Aim for 85-87F. This increased temperature speeds up the metabolism of the bacteria which reduces the cycle time.
-Turn on any bubble wands, lower the water an inch or two if using HOB filters, turn on any PH's you might have. Increasing agitation increases the dissolved O2 levels which bacteria like/want/need.
-Buy/borrow a small bottle of pH down. Add 1-2 drops per 4 gallons of tank water. These pH products contain large amounts of phosphates which your bacteria need to grow. This small amount will not affect the pH of the tank and will supply all the phosphate needed. Lots of "my cycle stopped/stalled" posts can be attributed to phosphate deficiency. A small amount of fishfood can probably also be substituted in place of this.
-Add in a VERY small amount of flake fish food. When I mean small I mean microscopic! About the size of a grain or 2 of rice. Pulverize it into a very fine powder and add it in. This will take care of any trace elements required by the bacteria and probably the phosphate requirement as well.
-Now its time to seed the tank! This is the single most important step in the entire cycle. The more seed material you can procure, the faster the cycle will go. Seed material is anything you can take from an established tank. Filter media (sponges/floss/ceramic media) is the #1 best. This stuff is FULL of bacteria and exactly what you want. Next up would be substrate (sand/gravel). And last but not least would be decorations/ornaments. Do you have a friend with a gaudy/hideous pink castle that's been in his goldfish tank for 3 years? Beg/plead/steal it from him/her for a couple of weeks. But make sure you keep anything wet in the tank water until you can add it to your tank If it dries out in transit, the bacteria's dead!
With your tank setup and seed material you now want to maximize colonization of the surfaces. If you are given a piece of filter media squish it in the tank water first. This will cloud the tank with bacteria laden particles. These will fly all over the tank and "seed" the surfaces with bacteria. Then put the filter material in your filter. It doesn't matter if it's not made to fit, find a way to get it in there. HOB and canister filters normally allow for several compartments, make one of them the seed filter material. Place it at the FRONT of the filtering. By that I mean put the seed material as the first thing the water hits when entering the filter. This will cause any bacteria that is released from the seed material to contact the new filter first, which is where you want the bacteria to be.
If you are given substrate (and don't mind it in the tank) spread it out all over the bottom. This maximizes surface area and will allow the most contact with the bacteria and food source.
If the substrate is something you don't want in the tank after the cycle put it in the foot of a new UNWASHED piece of pantyhose. Rinse the pantyhose under tap water but make sure it never went in the wash. Detergents/fabric softener will kill your tank! Squish the substrate around every day or two. You'll notice it will cloud the tank. This is a good thing as bacteria is being released into the water. This is how I cycled my 20 gallon. I did not have filter media, only a small amount of gravel from an established tank. I put 1/2 the gravel in a filter insert in my HOB, and the rest in some pantyhose (since I had PFS and didn't want the gravel). A couple of weeks after the cycle finished I removed the seed gravel (you don't want to remove it too soon or you may cause a minicycle).
Now for a note about bacteria. They are surface adherers. That is, very little of the bacteria is present in the water itself, the majority is attached to the surfaces in the tank. This means that a PWC during the cycle is not necessarily a bad thing. It's normally not needed, but if it is for some reason (say you overdose on the ammonia), don't fret!
A quick word on pH. Ideally you want the pH of the tank to be ~7.5. The ammonia to nitrIte bacteria prefer a higher pH (closer to 8.0), while the nitrIte to nitrAte bacteria prefer a lower pH (closer to 7.3). Go too high and your nitrItes will build up, go too low and your ammonia won't get converted. If you have a pH crash (either too high or too low, say pH 6.0 or pH 9.0) you have to do a PWC. At these ranges your bacteria will seriously begin to slow down metabolism.
Keep the tank lights off and direct/indirect sunlight to a minimum. This time in the tank is RIPE for algae outbreaks. High ammonia levels, steady CO2 levels (from high aeration), and possible light can cause your tank to look like pea soup. The bacteria do NOT require a light source, and in fact, direct sunlight can cause the bacteria to multiply slower. Bottom line, keep it dark!
So now you have the perfect temperature, a steady food source with trace elements in abundence, good oxygen levels, your all set!
When you see your ammonia level drop to below 1ppm, increase it back up to 3-5ppm. You will most likely build up a LARGE amount of nitrIte because the bacteria that convert nitrIte to nitrAte were at a disadvantage waiting for their food (nitrIte). I've often thought of creating a product of pure nitrIte for cycling. That way you can dose both ammonia and nitrIte at the beginning which would speed up the entire cycle. Now don't go and steal my idea!
Watch your nitrAte levels. When they start to rise wait about 5-7days and, if your nitrIte levels are really high (>10ppm), I'd recommend a large PWC to bring the number down into a readable range. This will not affect the cycle, and will keep you sane as you can watch the levels vary. You might see the levels continue to go up as you will still have more ammonia converting bacteria, but if you watch the nitrAtes you'll know your heading in the right direction. Several members on here have really been done the cycle, but because there was so much nitrIte in the tank they didn't know it! (hint I was one of them....)
Once you can convert 1-2ppm ammonia completely to nitrAte in 24hours or less you can do a large (or several) large PWC's to get the nitrAtes below 40ppm (<20ppm preferably). Now decrease the tank temperature to 78-82F if housing tropicals, otherwise whatever temperature you need. Make sure the temp is stable before addition of fish.
Now your all set to fully or near fully stock your tank!
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33 Responses to "Tips and tricks for your fastest fishless cycle!" 
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said this on 24 Mar 2008 7:32:03 PM EST
This was most excellent. I will be setting my tank up with my son every other weekend (divorce) this gives us plenty of time to cycle. I had no idea so much was involved. With my last tank (many, many, years ago) the only thing I was instructed to do was to make sure I had a UGF - a good filter - and a few fish to sacrifice. Fortunately the sacrifice fish never died, in fact they outlived several of my prized fish. Thanks again .. warped1
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said this on 25 Mar 2008 7:06:24 AM EST
Glad the article could help! But please remember this article was created for those that just have to have fish as fast as possible. All the little additives and changes are not needed in 90% of the cases.
All you really need is a food source for the bacteria (pure ammonia or something to rot), and enough current in the water to keep it oxygenated. Everything else is just icing on the cake.
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said this on 22 May 2008 1:27:44 PM EST
thank you, this in an excellent description of the necessary process. I've never seen one with the degree of detail I wanted.
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said this on 14 Feb 2009 8:37:06 AM EST
Thank you so much this will help i got my tank last week and wanted to get fish in a week from today or so. Now i can actually cycle it without hurting my fish and get everything set for them. Thank you so much!!!! Also i am just going to use a substrate from another tank. Should i have an undergravel filter for that or will my HOB filter i have be ok. I am going to get an undergravel filter this friday but i just was wondering!!!
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said this on 15 Feb 2009 12:35:50 PM EST
I would recommend against the UG filter, and stick with a nice HOB (as long as it is adequate in size for the tank). The substrate from a previous tank will be perfect as long as you do not have any diseases you do not want to transfer to the new tank. Otherwise, make sure the tank has been dechlorinated prior to adding the substrate as it will have a large amount of beneficial bacteria that will cycle you tank quickly.
Goodluck, and glad I could help!
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said this on 15 Feb 2009 12:59:56 PM EST
Very well explained article. Thank You. I would be interested in your reason against UG filter.
Thanx
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said this on 04 Mar 2009 7:59:36 PM EST
UG filters operate by using the substrate (sand/gravel) to house the beneficial bacteria and convert the ammonia to nitrAte. The problem is that you create a nitrAte factory within the substrate and under the plate that builds up very high levels. With coarse gravel you can have waste material fall through the cracks which then rots underneath or in the substrate, and with fine gravel/sand you can have poor circulation. But the worst thing of all is in order to clean the filter you basically need to tear the entire tank down to get to the plates under the substrate. This is a messy ordeal that is not fun and what typically happens is people just never do this and you will have steadily increasing nitrAte levels regardless of water changes.
With a HOB you just remove the inserts, wash them in some tank water and stick them back in.
HTH
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said this on 03 Mar 2009 10:52:31 AM EST
I am starting a fishless cycle and have had it up for a week now with no drop in ammonia?? But I believe that your article has solved my problem, I have extreamly soft water and have brought the KH up to keep the PH stabilized but I bet I need to add some Phosphates for my bacteria. Very informitave article! Thank you!
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said this on 06 Mar 2009 9:59:22 AM EST
Great article, well i whas wondering about another technique involving vodka. Alcohol is supposed to be superfood for nitrifying bacteria. I personally have had good results with it. (Only 1 or 2 drops in the filter media). Could this be considered a trick to make it go faster?
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said this on 06 Mar 2009 11:03:17 AM EST
I have never heard this. These nitrifying bacteria are feeding off of nitrogen compounds, while alcohols are hydrocarbons that do not contain any nitrogen. So alcohol by itself could not be "feeding" the nitrifying bacteria.
I do not believe it would have a beneficial effect as an additive, but it is a energy containing compound so it could be supporting a secondary function for the bacteria (cell membrane construction perhaps?). Typically, however, alcohols are used to kill or inhibit the growth of organisms so obviously in higher amounts than the 1-2 drops you mentioned it is probably harmful.
If you have any sources for this, however, I would be extremely interested in reading about it. I did a quick 10min google search and the only thing to support this theory was a paper on increased growth rates of certain bacteria in the intestines when exposed to alcohol.....so you may be on to something!
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said this on 20 Mar 2009 2:48:24 AM EST
thanks for the tip about light during the cycle, my ammonia levels have been staying really high and nitrite levels only just began to show after 3 weeks. i couldn't figure out why! planeria started appearing and algae, and now i know why.
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said this on 20 Mar 2009 5:44:02 AM EST
Yep, the planaria are feeding off the algae. You'll always have algal spores and other microorganisms present in the water no matter what you do, but if you cut out the light during this cycling time there will be no food supply for the little critters. If in a room that doesn't have a window you can just try to keep any lights off and that should be good enough. If in a well lighted room you may need to wrap the tank in a blanket or thick black plastic trashbag. If you need to do this, however, make sure you are properly aerating the tank using an air pump or if using a hang on back filter (HOB) that you keep the top off to allow for gas transfer.
Glad the article could help
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said this on 20 Mar 2009 5:48:32 AM EST
Too early in the morning for me without coffee. Wanted to edit my above comment to say that planaria don't eat the algae, rather they eat the microorganisms that eat the algae. Bottom line still holds true; cut out the light and they will disappear.
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said this on 14 May 2009 1:21:57 PM EST
Thank you for the information! I will reduce light, increase temperature and add some fish food to my aquarium today. Two days ago algae started growing in the tank. What would you recommend to do about it?
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said this on 19 May 2009 6:57:03 AM EST
Hi Yev,
True algae requires light for photosynthesis. Without light, the algae dies. Since our bacteria do not require light to grow, that is why we recommend keeping it dark to prevent algae from growing in the first place.
Now all new tanks will get diatoms which are not algae, but a brownish powdery (when rubbed off the surface) organism, which feeds off the silicates present in new tanks (glass and plastic surfaces). These may look like algae to the untrained eye, but is easily identified when removed from the surface.
Best course of action? Wrap a black plastic garbage bag around the tank to prevent light from getting in. If you have a Hang-on-back (HOB) filter you can get away with lower the water level a bit to get enough oxygen in the water for the beneficial bacteria. If using a canister filter, it is probably a good idea to add an air pump to make sure there is enough desolved oxygen. Keep the room dark if possible, tank lights off and don't peek for a week. After that time the algae should be gone.
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said this on 20 May 2009 2:59:11 PM EST
5 days ago I added water conditioner, a little fish food (PH = 7.5), heater (80F), air pump, and covered aquarium with a blanket. So far there is no change in ammonia level (~5ppm) or algae. I do remove the cover every day in the morning for a few minutes to check the ammonia level.
The "algae" is indeed brown, but this is not a brand new tank. It was used by the previous tenant in the apartment where I live. I think she had gold fish. It didn't contain any water when I got it.
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said this on 21 May 2009 7:00:23 AM EST
Yev,
See my last post again. You CANNOT peak for at least a week. Algae is a very sneaky thing. Just like we can "survive" on water for weeks, algae can survive for quite a while even with brief amounts of light. You have to keep the tank sealed from light at all times for at least a week and your algae problems should be mostly fixed.
Also, if you didn't start with a seed material (filter material or gravel from another tank), 5 days will not be enough time to show any change in the ammonia level.
My recommendation would be to wrap it up completely (since you have an air pump), and ignore it for at least a week. Then you can test the ammonia level (but if possible try to do it in the dark! :)
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said this on 04 Jul 2009 10:22:35 PM EST
Wow... Great article!
Just curious what effect would Human Urine have on a tank? (using it as a source of ammonia of course, not recreation.) I just thought this might speed the process up.
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said this on 06 Jul 2009 8:02:54 AM EST
Aaron,
While Human Urine (in a healthy person) does contain the equivalent of a low dose fertilizer such as Seachem's Flourish, I would recommend against using it for cycling purposes. Depending on the person's hydration level you could also be adding in quite a bit of salt, not to mention difficulty in quantifying how much nitrogen you actually put in the water.
To top it off urea (main nitrogen compound in human urine) is more difficult to metabolize for the bacteria than ammonia, and it is possible a different strain of bacteria is required which would not benefit the cycle.
Either way, stick to the pure ammonia at the $0.99 store, just make sure it does not contain surfactants (soaps). If you look at the label it will often under ingredients say surfactants, but the surest way to test is after buying shake it up and pour some out. If it heavily foams you don't want to use it.
Goodluck, and keep the urine in the toilet, or at least not on edible vegetables. I hear shrubs and flowers love it. ;)
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said this on 11 Sep 2009 1:23:59 AM EST
Thanks for all the wonderful tips! I'm all set to cycle my tank, but cannot find pure ammonia for the life of me! Any suggestions on where I might look? Also, I'm wondering if the nitrifying bacteria they sell in pet stores for use with live-fish cycling would work for this process as well? It seems like it would be more sterile, and less apt to indroduce disease than filter media from an established tank if it could be used. Any thoughts? Thanks again for the great article! --Kerry
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said this on 11 Sep 2009 6:34:27 AM EST
Hi Kerry,
Do you know if your tap water has chloramine instead of chlorine? If so you could use that (with a dechlorinator such as Prime). My understanding is that Prime will dechlorinate the water while detoxifying the ammonia (but leaving it able to be consumed by the bacteria). Otherwise dollar stores, and maybe ethnic grocery stores (if nothing around you has it). Trust me its out there, just not always easy to find.
As for the cycling, the only product I know of that has been proven effective is a product known as BioSpira. This product contains live bacteria for the cycling of a tank and *can* be extremely effective. However it needs to be stored refrigerated, and DURING all times prior to you buying it. And that is typically the problem. Somewhere in shipping someone may not treat it properly and you'll spend a bunch of money for nothing, and risk killing your fish (since they recommend adding all of the fish and the BioSpira at once).
Stick to used filter media. While diseases CAN transfer, most will not be viable due to the long period of time between cycling and fish addition. Remember most of these parasites and diseases require the fish/snail host to thrive. Take that away and they "starve".
Goodluck and thank you for reading the article!
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said this on 25 Sep 2009 4:28:03 AM EST
I was wondering what your suggestion would be if I didn't have anything from an old fish tank to use in the new fish tank? The only thing my fish has in there now is his house, a clear tube and a few plants and I am not even sure if those have any bacteria on them since they have only been in there for 5 days. Thank you for your help in advance!
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said this on 25 Sep 2009 10:34:02 AM EST
Darby,
What size tank and how many and what kinds of fish do you have in there?
First things first, stop feeding the fish. This will only contribute to the ammonia problem, and they can easily fast for several days without hurting them (they are coldblooded after all and have much slower metabolisms than us). I would feed a VERY small amount once every 3-4 days until you no longer detect ammonia/nitrIte.
You need to get a liquid ammonia/nitrIte/nitrAte test kit and keep an eye on your levels. Before even that though you need to start doing large water changes as you are definitely getting ammonia and nitrIte buildup since you don't have a cycled tank.
I would recommend 50% at least once a day until you get the test kit. After that you can check and do water changes when your levels get above 0.25ppm ammonia/nitrIte.
I would also recommend going to the fish store and asking for a handful of gravel (if they have gravel in some of the tanks). Or see if you can get a couple plastic plants or decorations from the tanks (they will be coated in beneficial bacteria). If those options fail buy a couple low light plants (real plants, I don't know if what you have now is real/fake), but monitor them carefully. If the plants start to wilt or loose their leaves, get them out ASAP or they will contribute to the ammonia problems.
I would keep your lights on for ~8 hours per day. You will likely get an algae problem but that will be beneficial to the fish since the algae will be consuming the ammonia.
Please make sure you are using a good dechlorinator such as Seachem's Prime when you do water changes, and make sure the temp of the water matches the temp in the tank.
Hope this helps, but please remember you need to be very active right now to keep the water conditions safe for the fish!
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said this on 25 Sep 2009 4:53:00 PM EST
For now I have a 20G tank with one Black Ghost Knifefish. The temp in his tank is 78 deg. I am working on moving him to a 60G tank in the future. The plants I have in there are real and there are 6 of them, (they are still faily small, 5 in tall) I used one of the test strips (which I have been told are no good) and everything was low and still is except for the NO3 went from 0 to 10 in 5 days. It is okay to change the water in the tank? Do I need to make sure that the new water is the same temp as the current water in the tank? Also, we recently rereleased some catfish, and the tank that they were in still has about 20 gallons of water and some gravel, (there could be pieces of old earthworm in there though), was wondering if I would be able to use that gravel for the new tank? Thanks so much for your help!
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said this on 28 Sep 2009 8:04:38 AM EST
Darby, please reread my reply to your original post. In that I mention water changes are to be done with water that is the same temperature as the tank temp, and dechlorinated prior to adding the water to the tank (I use a 5 gallon bucket). The test strips are junk. Go and get a good liquid test kit such as the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals kit (~$15-20 and includes all the tests you need). Now the best part: That gravel is PERFECT for what you need. It will be coated in beneficial bacteria that will quickly cycle your 20G tank. What you need to do first though to avoid a possible ammonia spike due to uneaten worms is to wash the gravel in USED TANK WATER. Do NOT use tap water. The chlorine/chloramine in the tap water will kill the bacteria and make it all but useless. Instead, save your water in the 20G tank when you do your water change and use it to wash the gravel gently. Lighter debris such as uneaten food, poo, and other particles will get stirred up in the gravel and then you can just pour off all of the water. I'd recommend draining all of the water from the gravel before adding it to the 20G tank. As long as you don't let the gravel dry out the bacteria will be fine. If you like the look of the gravel just evenly spread it out on the bottom of the 20G tank. If you already have nice gravel or don't want the stuff from the catfish tank you can put the gravel in a mesh bag (they sell these at pet places for holding ceramic beads, carbon, etc.). I and many other people just use a cut up piece of NEW pantyhose (cannot have been washed with detergent!). You just need something to hold the gravel but it needs to allow constant water flow through to establish the bacteria. Goodluck!
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said this on 28 Sep 2009 3:19:42 PM EST
I have been doing water changes every day, 25-50%, and my amonia level is still 1.0. I have the cycling started in the 70G (thought it was a 60G) and now am trying to find a temp home for my BGK so he is not stuck in the middle of the cycle in the 20G. Taking him back to the pet store is not really an option, since I think the 100 mi journey would kill him. I got myself a liquid test kit and have been doing that 1-3 times a day. I finally fed him and he went BANANAS! I could have fed him out of my hand if I had something big enough! He was actually sucking the bloodworms right out of the syringe, so I know none got away and are leftover in the tank. I have done 2 vacuums and the first time there was a ton of old food in the gravel. I now know I was overfeeding him....Unfortunately I already tossed out the gravel from the catfish because other people told me it was sitting too long to have any bacteria in it. (It sat for 6 days). In the tank that's cycling I have a plant from ext. tank, gravel in a new pantyhose and some fish food. I didn't go the ammonia route because the only stuff I could find had surfactants in it. Thanks for your help!
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said this on 29 Sep 2009 7:38:58 AM EST
Do me a favor and test your tap water for ammonia. If you detect any ammonia you will know your water has chloramines. Chloramines are more stable in water and so do not evaporate quickly (and therefore are great from a water safety standpoint), but for us aquarists it poses a problem because you can't just let water sit out to release the chlorine. When the chloramine molecule reacts with something, the amine is released (which becomes ammonia). So basically what I'm saying is if you are using a proper amount of dechlorinator when adding new water the amount of ammonia you detect in your tap water can be subtracted from your tank level since there is no way you'll have zero ammonia (well unless you have lots of plants and do very infrequent water changes). That amount of ammonia in the tap water has been neutralized and so doesn't count towards your toxic ammonia level.
If you don't detect any ammonia in the tap water you need to do MULTIPLE back to back large water changes (25-50% is not large enough). It is quite possible your level rises faster than your water changes. Say you had an ammonia level of 1.0 and your BGK (even fasting) generates 0.5ppm a day. If you do a 50% water change you're only lowering the level from 1.0 to 0.5, but in that time the BGK raised it back up to 1.0. So if you continue to only do 50% changes a day the BGK will be in very bad shape (possibly irreversible gill damage). I highly recommend (again if you don't see any ammonia in your tap water) that you do 75-90% water changes until you get a value BELOW 0.25ppm ammonia. That is the max safe level I personally recommend during cycling. Once you get it down to a detectable level you can see just how much waste the BGK is producing and tailor your water changes to it. It is not uncommon for people to have to do multiple (2-3) large water changes A DAY until the bacteria multiply to a large level. Yeah it stinks, but it needs to be done.
And remember the larger the water change the more important that you have VERY close temperatures between the tank water and the water you are adding. Added stress from temp swings is NOT good when already in a weakened state due to the ammonia.
In the meantime PLEASE keep the feedings to very infrequently (once every 3-4 days), and then only a reasonable amount. While hungry, the alternative (ammonia or nitrIte poisoning) is much MUCH worse for the fish.
Goodluck and keep up on the water changes!
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said this on 10 Oct 2009 6:43:25 PM EST
OMGosh! I'm in awe! I've never had anyone explain the whole process of how to measure ammonia readings when you start with tap water that already has ammonia! Brilliant! That makes wonderful sense and sets my mind at ease as I blunder through trying to do a fishless cycle with dechlorinated tap water that has ammo! A million thank yous! I can now plaster over the hole in the wall where I've been banging my head! Yay! :)
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said this on 12 Oct 2009 7:17:49 AM EST
Glad I could be of help. Actually one nice thing about having tap water with chloramines present is if you ever decide to use live plants. Every time you do a water change it's like giving them a small amount of fertilizer (nitrogen only of course). Free is good!
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said this on 29 Sep 2009 4:59:37 PM EST
Thanks so much! I don't have any ammonia in my tap water, I did check that. I got his ammonia down to .5 yesterday and haven't checked it yet today, I am about to do that now. Should I take him out while I do a 90% water change? I am cycling the new 70G for him right now and I hope it hurries up lol! I want to get him out of this 20G. Too bad his owner is an idiot and didn't do this before I bought him! He is still swimming around and was doing MUCH better last night than he has been. He was actually playing in the bubbles! I will keep doing what you suggested, I don't care if it takes me all day to do water changes, I just want to make him happy!
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said this on 30 Sep 2009 7:07:45 AM EST
No need to take him out during the water change. As long as he has enough water to be fully submerged he'll be fine. What I'd recommend though for reducing the stress is to have some water ready to add (dechlor, same temp) when you drain down that low. That way as soon as you are done removing the water you can add the water back so he's only in that really low water level for a minute or two. And don't worry, he'll thank you for the reduction in ammonia!
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said this on 30 Sep 2009 8:31:03 AM EST
Thanks for all your help! VERY much appreciated! Keep up the good work!
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said this on 08 Oct 2009 3:49:08 AM EST
Great article!!! I just restarted the tank after a 5 year break and completely forgot about the cycle. Thanks for all the great info. Very helpful!!
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