Quick to discourage??? split from original post... - Aquarium Advice

Suprised · 02-10-2004, 06:58 PM

Since i saw them in the store about 2 weeks ago I've read 2 books and looked at countless websites. I just wanted the advice of some of the people on this site. I haven't decided on tank size yet as I have several large understocked tanks up and running, anything from 46-90. I doubt that a <4" stingray would feel crowded as the lone ray in any of the aforementioned tanks. I know i have to prepare for growth but at the rate i buy fishtanks, I'll have a lake up and running before he's a foot across. Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists. I am not a new hobbyist and have no intention of taking a blind leap and impulse buying a fish. I'm amazed by all the replies that got. Thanks a lot everybody.

Sati · 02-10-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suprised

Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists.

Agreed.

freshwatergal · 02-10-2004, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Suprised wrote:
Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists.

Agreed.

Double agree!

02-10-2004, 09:44 PM

Wow, as an advisor here I take this seriously. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I would really like to know why you all feel this way?

I'm not mad or anything, but would like to use this as a feedback post to help make the site better, or more friendly, whatever we need.

Thanks,

Corvus

LAGlocker · 02-10-2004, 09:57 PM

Im new to the board here myself. I cant say that I think anyone is trying to discourage anyone from the hobby, or even keeping fish. I feel that if someone asks for a opinion that is usually what they get, one persons opinion. Now if the person giving the opinion feels, or thinks that what is being asked is wrong, they will say so. Such as certain fish, or trying to do something. I know I myself have already said that someone really shouldnt do something yet, and I have only beeen on here less than a month. I dont think anyone is saying or doing anything just to be mean, but that they are truely trying to help the person, so that they get the most enjoyment out of the fish keeping hobby. Of course thats just my opinion.

Allivymar · 02-10-2004, 10:00 PM

I'm a little confused. I have read your post about Teacup Rays in the [acronym:efa9efe511="Freshwater"]FW[/acronym:efa9efe511] General Discussion forum, and I see one poster who MIGHT be considered not totally supportive, mostly due to the fact you didn't mention you had done research on them, and they still took the time to offer you the link to a website full of ray info. Why are you amazed? Did you post elsewhere on the site about them and I missed it? I appreciate you letting us know how you feel; I'm just not clear as to why.

And I agree with Corvu; if there is an issue with discouraging newbies - tell us like Suprised did! We need to know.

Overstocker · 02-10-2004, 10:03 PM

I say put as many fish as you can and maintain water within parameters!!!

I know my Pleco can get over a foot long but I have never kept one that long (I guess it takes more than 2-3 years for it to get anywhere near that size.....lol

grimlock3000 · 02-10-2004, 10:08 PM

"Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists."

It is very frustrating to keep watching people make the same mistakes others have made repeatedly in the past. More often than not, people are just trying to make someone aware of their situation than bash on someone. At some point, the experience fishkeepers will come into a thread and slap someone's hand because it is very obvious that they are not doing things correctly. Sure, people do not like to be told they messed up, but I can not count the number of threads similar to this...

"Hi, I just bought 2 Cichlids, a Goldfish, 2 Common Plecos and a Shark for my 10g tank, what do I feed them???"

For what its worth, some people have received positive reinforcement to do the WRONG THING because people are trying to be nice instead of telling someone like it is. Fish are living animals, some people get pretty emotional about it, but it is a good thing when they are just looking out for the fish.

Looking at your Ray post, you got off the hook pretty easily

Except do you really want to put the Ray in a lake where you might not see it often? They are cool to look at in a tank :P

grimlock3000 · 02-10-2004, 10:11 PM

As a counterpoint, some people come to this board, ask questions about a problem, get good answers, and then do not agree and just keep doing what they want anyway. They just keep digging themselves into a hole and not taking people's advice as the fish suffer. THAT is frustrating

Menagerie · 02-10-2004, 10:12 PM

Hey Surprised--I reread your 'teacup ray' thread and from what I could see, there was one person very concerned about growth rate. That's the biggest thing I see on this forum--people cautioning others about growth rate, or overstocking the tank.
As for as your teacup ray, I wish you the best of luck with it and hope you post pics soon!

02-10-2004, 06:58 PM	#1
Suprised Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chi Posts: 41	Quick to discourage??? split from original post... Since i saw them in the store about 2 weeks ago I've read 2 books and looked at countless websites. I just wanted the advice of some of the people on this site. I haven't decided on tank size yet as I have several large understocked tanks up and running, anything from 46-90. I doubt that a <4" stingray would feel crowded as the lone ray in any of the aforementioned tanks. I know i have to prepare for growth but at the rate i buy fishtanks, I'll have a lake up and running before he's a foot across. Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists. I am not a new hobbyist and have no intention of taking a blind leap and impulse buying a fish. I'm amazed by all the replies that got. Thanks a lot everybody.

02-10-2004, 10:00 PM	#6
Allivymar Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 4,355 Images: 15	I'm a little confused. I have read your post about Teacup Rays in the [acronym:efa9efe511="Freshwater"]FW[/acronym:efa9efe511] General Discussion forum, and I see one poster who MIGHT be considered not totally supportive, mostly due to the fact you didn't mention you had done research on them, and they still took the time to offer you the link to a website full of ray info. Why are you amazed? Did you post elsewhere on the site about them and I missed it? I appreciate you letting us know how you feel; I'm just not clear as to why. And I agree with Corvu; if there is an issue with discouraging newbies - tell us like Suprised did! We need to know. __________________ aka Cycling Guru and the Ich Slayer glares at Terry and QTOFFER Card carrying member of FTAS & GCAS.

02-10-2004, 10:08 PM	#8
grimlock3000 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: maine Posts: 1,971 Images: 1	"Sometimes i feel like people on this website are too quick to discourage new hobbyists." It is very frustrating to keep watching people make the same mistakes others have made repeatedly in the past. More often than not, people are just trying to make someone aware of their situation than bash on someone. At some point, the experience fishkeepers will come into a thread and slap someone's hand because it is very obvious that they are not doing things correctly. Sure, people do not like to be told they messed up, but I can not count the number of threads similar to this... "Hi, I just bought 2 Cichlids, a Goldfish, 2 Common Plecos and a Shark for my 10g tank, what do I feed them???" For what its worth, some people have received positive reinforcement to do the WRONG THING because people are trying to be nice instead of telling someone like it is. Fish are living animals, some people get pretty emotional about it, but it is a good thing when they are just looking out for the fish. Looking at your Ray post, you got off the hook pretty easily Except do you really want to put the Ray in a lake where you might not see it often? They are cool to look at in a tank :P __________________ 26 freshwater 2x Sunburst Platys (2M, 2F) // 3x Neon Tetras (?) // 2x Cherry Barbs (1M, 1F) // 2x YoYo Loaches (?) // 1x Bushy Nose Pleco (M) // 1x Clown Pleco (?) // 15H marine -30# Live Rock -Mixed Snails (Nassarius // Cerith // Astrea // Black Turbo // Mexican Turbo) -8x Blue Leg Hermit Crabs // 1x Banded Serpent Star // 1x Cleaner Shrimp -1x Royal Gramma // 1x Percula Clownfish -2x Mushroom Leather // Metallic Green Star Polyps // Pulsing Xenia // Striped Xenia // Blue Mushroom -Remora + Maxi-Jet 1200 // 2x Maxi-Jet 600 // Maxi-Jet 400 // Visi-Therm Deluxe 50 // Current USA Orbit 2x 40w [acronym:f2db8017b4="Power compact fluorescent"]PC[/acronym:f2db8017b4]

02-10-2004, 10:11 PM	#9
grimlock3000 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: maine Posts: 1,971 Images: 1	As a counterpoint, some people come to this board, ask questions about a problem, get good answers, and then do not agree and just keep doing what they want anyway. They just keep digging themselves into a hole and not taking people's advice as the fish suffer. THAT is frustrating __________________ 26 freshwater 2x Sunburst Platys (2M, 2F) // 3x Neon Tetras (?) // 2x Cherry Barbs (1M, 1F) // 2x YoYo Loaches (?) // 1x Bushy Nose Pleco (M) // 1x Clown Pleco (?) // 15H marine -30# Live Rock -Mixed Snails (Nassarius // Cerith // Astrea // Black Turbo // Mexican Turbo) -8x Blue Leg Hermit Crabs // 1x Banded Serpent Star // 1x Cleaner Shrimp -1x Royal Gramma // 1x Percula Clownfish -2x Mushroom Leather // Metallic Green Star Polyps // Pulsing Xenia // Striped Xenia // Blue Mushroom -Remora + Maxi-Jet 1200 // 2x Maxi-Jet 600 // Maxi-Jet 400 // Visi-Therm Deluxe 50 // Current USA Orbit 2x 40w [acronym:f2db8017b4="Power compact fluorescent"]PC[/acronym:f2db8017b4]

02-10-2004, 10:12 PM	#10
Menagerie Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 11,266 Images: 77	Hey Surprised--I reread your 'teacup ray' thread and from what I could see, there was one person very concerned about growth rate. That's the biggest thing I see on this forum--people cautioning others about growth rate, or overstocking the tank. As for as your teacup ray, I wish you the best of luck with it and hope you post pics soon! __________________

02-10-2004, 09:44 PM	#4
Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, as an advisor here I take this seriously. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I would really like to know why you all feel this way? I'm not mad or anything, but would like to use this as a feedback post to help make the site better, or more friendly, whatever we need. Thanks, Corvus

02-10-2004, 09:57 PM	#5
LAGlocker Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 333 Images: 2	Im new to the board here myself. I cant say that I think anyone is trying to discourage anyone from the hobby, or even keeping fish. I feel that if someone asks for a opinion that is usually what they get, one persons opinion. Now if the person giving the opinion feels, or thinks that what is being asked is wrong, they will say so. Such as certain fish, or trying to do something. I know I myself have already said that someone really shouldnt do something yet, and I have only beeen on here less than a month. I dont think anyone is saying or doing anything just to be mean, but that they are truely trying to help the person, so that they get the most enjoyment out of the fish keeping hobby. Of course thats just my opinion.

02-10-2004, 10:03 PM	#7
Overstocker Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 215	I say put as many fish as you can and maintain water within parameters!!! I know my Pleco can get over a foot long but I have never kept one that long (I guess it takes more than 2-3 years for it to get anywhere near that size.....lol

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