All out angelfish war in the tank!!!! - Aquarium Advice

jhd · 10-05-2004, 07:40 PM

Yesterday a pair of angels laid eggs on giant val leaf. This is in the center of the tank. Today the other pair is just laying eggs in the same tank. The spot they choose is less than a foot away from the other cluster of eggs. There is a lot of chasing and display of aggression from both the guarding pair and the other laying eggs.
Are they going to kill each other?
All the other fish are in the corner of the tank, I guess they know they have to respect the angels.
What can I do to make the guarding pair to move the wigglers once they hatch? If I turn the light off for next 2 days, would it help to calm down the aggression? Or simply cut the leaf off and remove the eggs of the newly spawned pair? This is their first spawn. The guarding pair spawn before once, eggs were gone in 3 days. This time eggs do not disappear and all look fertile.
Need advice quick, I like the angels, long vail marble, took me over a year to get them to spawn

grimlock3000 · 10-05-2004, 07:59 PM

If they pair up, which they did, 6 is too many Angels for a 55g tank, simple as that.

jhd · 10-05-2004, 09:02 PM

Sorry guys, I updated my profile.
I have two pairs of angels.
trouble is they decided to lay eggs all at the same time and at the same spot (almost)
So now what? Should I interrupt the mating or let it be?

BrianNY · 10-05-2004, 10:17 PM

The likelihood is that you will lose this batch. The best thing you could is seperate the pairs and have 2 spawns in the near future.

TankGirl · 10-05-2004, 10:34 PM

I have had two spawning pairs of angels in a 55 (got 5 babies and wound up with 2 pairs, who knew?) and fortunately they chose completely opposite sides of the tank to spawn. This went on for a few months but eventually mayhem ensued and one of the females was killed, or at least injured beyond help, and then the leftover male would have been killed for being the "third wheel" so to speak if I had not removed him.

Angels are considered gentle, peaceful community aquarium fish, which is often the case, but once spawning comes into the picture they are not much different than any other cichlid.

To answer your question, yes, they will probably kill each other, unfortunately, or at least cause stress that will lead to death.

krap101 · 10-06-2004, 12:19 AM

you could take the eggs out... maybe that'll do something but i doubt it. then they'll get mad at the other angels because they though they ate eachothers eggs and make it worse. maybe get a tank divider?

rubysoho · 10-06-2004, 12:22 AM

what about dividing the tank temporarily? Since you said it was in the middle and only a foot apart, maybe that could work?

TankGirl · 10-06-2004, 10:08 AM

Great idea, rubysoho - a tank divider would force them to choose separate spots for spawning and after that they might "take to their corners" so to speak and not get into trouble.

jhd · 10-06-2004, 11:03 AM

Well then, I will try to separate the two spawning places with some deep floating plants I can take from another tank. Plants have 7 inch long roots hanging down, that will separate the two eggs clusters.
I think I will remove one pair, I can not use divider permanently, since there are clown loaches there and they need room to swim.
So, if separation like this with the plants works, let it be, if not, I am going to remove one pair and put them in 29g,

Too bad, I will have to sell back to [acronym:3f191a3887="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:3f191a3887] ma pearls, angels will kill them in no time, as they tried already when they were with pearls in one tank when they were the size of the dimes.
Thanks for responses.

cdawson · 10-06-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by krap101

you could take the eggs out... maybe that'll do something but i doubt it. then they'll get mad at the other angels because they though they ate eachothers eggs and make it worse. maybe get a tank divider?

A tank divider wouldn't work for the simple reason the angels can still see the other pair and still be spooked. When angels are spooked, angels eat their eggs.

Even a light timer turning off, or on can spook them into eating their eggs. If an angelfish feels at all threatened it would rather get the nutrition for themselves to provide nutrients for future spawns rather than allow someone else to eat their eggs.

10-05-2004, 07:40 PM	#1
jhd Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: GTA, Ontario Canada Posts: 55	All out angelfish war in the tank!!!! Yesterday a pair of angels laid eggs on giant val leaf. This is in the center of the tank. Today the other pair is just laying eggs in the same tank. The spot they choose is less than a foot away from the other cluster of eggs. There is a lot of chasing and display of aggression from both the guarding pair and the other laying eggs. Are they going to kill each other? All the other fish are in the corner of the tank, I guess they know they have to respect the angels. What can I do to make the guarding pair to move the wigglers once they hatch? If I turn the light off for next 2 days, would it help to calm down the aggression? Or simply cut the leaf off and remove the eggs of the newly spawned pair? This is their first spawn. The guarding pair spawn before once, eggs were gone in 3 days. This time eggs do not disappear and all look fertile. Need advice quick, I like the angels, long vail marble, took me over a year to get them to spawn __________________ 55g planeted [acronym="Carbon dioxide"]CO2[/acronym] yeast ammonia 0 nitrite 0 natrate 5 pH 7.5 kH6 3 Emerald Catfish 12 busy Ottos, 7 Rainbows 3 Clown Loaches, 2 [acronym="Siamese Algae Eater"]SAE[/acronym] 2 upside down cats

10-05-2004, 07:59 PM	#2
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10-05-2004, 09:02 PM	#3
jhd Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: GTA, Ontario Canada Posts: 55	Sorry guys, I updated my profile. I have two pairs of angels. trouble is they decided to lay eggs all at the same time and at the same spot (almost) So now what? Should I interrupt the mating or let it be? __________________ 55g planeted [acronym="Carbon dioxide"]CO2[/acronym] yeast ammonia 0 nitrite 0 natrate 5 pH 7.5 kH6 3 Emerald Catfish 12 busy Ottos, 7 Rainbows 3 Clown Loaches, 2 [acronym="Siamese Algae Eater"]SAE[/acronym] 2 upside down cats

10-05-2004, 10:34 PM	#5
TankGirl Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 8,279 Images: 16	I have had two spawning pairs of angels in a 55 (got 5 babies and wound up with 2 pairs, who knew?) and fortunately they chose completely opposite sides of the tank to spawn. This went on for a few months but eventually mayhem ensued and one of the females was killed, or at least injured beyond help, and then the leftover male would have been killed for being the "third wheel" so to speak if I had not removed him. Angels are considered gentle, peaceful community aquarium fish, which is often the case, but once spawning comes into the picture they are not much different than any other cichlid. To answer your question, yes, they will probably kill each other, unfortunately, or at least cause stress that will lead to death. __________________ TG Central Virginians click here and join the Regional Forum! View My Gallery Here

10-06-2004, 12:19 AM	#6
krap101 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roscoe, IL Posts: 3,824 Images: 12	you could take the eggs out... maybe that'll do something but i doubt it. then they'll get mad at the other angels because they though they ate eachothers eggs and make it worse. maybe get a tank divider? __________________ Wizards first rule-People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true. Wizards second rule-The greatest harm can result from the best intentions. Wizards third rule-Passion rules reason. Wizards fourth rule-There is magic in forgiveness the magic to heal! In the forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive. Wizards fifth rule-Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie. Wizards sixth rule-The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. Wizards seventh rule-Life is the future, not the past Wizards eighth rule-Deserve victory. Wizards ninth rule-Contradictions don't exist, in whole or in part.

10-05-2004, 10:17 PM	#4
BrianNY Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 4,259 Images: 18	The likelihood is that you will lose this batch. The best thing you could is seperate the pairs and have 2 spawns in the near future.

10-06-2004, 12:22 AM	#7
rubysoho Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,539 Images: 3	what about dividing the tank temporarily? Since you said it was in the middle and only a foot apart, maybe that could work?

10-06-2004, 10:08 AM	#8
TankGirl Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 8,279 Images: 16	Great idea, rubysoho - a tank divider would force them to choose separate spots for spawning and after that they might "take to their corners" so to speak and not get into trouble. __________________ TG Central Virginians click here and join the Regional Forum! View My Gallery Here

10-06-2004, 11:03 AM	#9
jhd Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: GTA, Ontario Canada Posts: 55	Well then, I will try to separate the two spawning places with some deep floating plants I can take from another tank. Plants have 7 inch long roots hanging down, that will separate the two eggs clusters. I think I will remove one pair, I can not use divider permanently, since there are clown loaches there and they need room to swim. So, if separation like this with the plants works, let it be, if not, I am going to remove one pair and put them in 29g, Too bad, I will have to sell back to [acronym:3f191a3887="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:3f191a3887] ma pearls, angels will kill them in no time, as they tried already when they were with pearls in one tank when they were the size of the dimes. Thanks for responses. __________________ 55g planeted [acronym="Carbon dioxide"]CO2[/acronym] yeast ammonia 0 nitrite 0 natrate 5 pH 7.5 kH6 3 Emerald Catfish 12 busy Ottos, 7 Rainbows 3 Clown Loaches, 2 [acronym="Siamese Algae Eater"]SAE[/acronym] 2 upside down cats

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