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Old 01-31-2006, 06:42 PM   #1
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Apistogramma Panduro breeding questions?

I'm trying to get my Panduro's to breed. I'm wondering if there not blackwater breeders.

can someone tell me if they are or not?

It's a trio pair in the tank and so far nothing. I've added oak leafs to the tank trying to get tanners into the water to maybe help. But nothing. I've been breeding Apistos for a while now with all kinds of luck. But this pair is giving me fits. I don't know if I'm not holding my tounge right or what.
I know that some Apisto's are dark water spices but I didn't thank that Panduro where. The trio I'm trying to get to breed { the males the one in my avater } are 5 months old. The female has showed her breeding colors sevral times now. But nothing.
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KH-0- to20ppm at times

water temp is 82f { never drops below 79f }
25%W/C every 4 days with a 50% on the tenth day.

Moon lighten runs for 2hrs anight,then sun raise lighten from 5:45 til 7:30, daylight runs for 8 to 9 hrs max.

I'm I just trying to get them to breed to hard. LOL
Any thoughts will be tryed and thanks for the replies before hand.
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What size tank are you breeding them in?

Have you tried different pH measurments? I thought some Apistogrammas were more neutral water breeders?
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I did a quick google search and found this article of a successful A. panduro breeding attempt. Maybe it'll help?

Best of luck. I love the look of the A. panduro. Just need more tanks to house them in.
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What size tank are you breeding them in?

Have you tried different pH measurments? I thought some Apistogrammas were more neutral water breeders?
There in a 20gal long.

I've tryed moving the PH from 5.9 to 6.5 over a weeks time. Most of the apisto's like a soft acidic water witha PH of 6.5. On the artical. It helps if you post the link. LOL I've tryed to find a link or someone who has breed them. There is also a couple of guppys and 4 to 6 black mollys in the tank.
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Discus are a black water species and I've found that I can usually trigger a spawn by lowering the temp from 85 to 80 gradually. Do you measure TDS? Some black water fish (rummy nose tetras), won't spawn unless it's under 130. Just some things to experiment with.
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My TDC is just under 90, I'm still trying to find anything. Keep them coming . I'll take anything or try anything.
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Here's the link that should keep you going for awhile.

http://www.thekrib.com/Apisto/A-pandurini.html
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LOl Yea I've read that. This morning not 45min ago. LOL I've been looking throw the menber list trying to find someone in this area of the woods. That's been into Apisto's but so far no luck. I'll find someone to either chat about breeding or is breeding them. I never give up. LOL
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Sorry Weasel F. Sometimes I guess I click the post button a lil too quickly.

Here is a link to the article I found.

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...a_panduro.html

He explains breeding(unintentionally, but successfully) his A. panduros at a pH of 7.6 and a temp of 77F.
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Weasel, Panduro are part of the Nijsseni complex, and are monogamous.
You can buy a pair, but you are not guaranteed they will spawn, they actually have to choose their partner, and if they don't like the female/male they will not spawn with them.
I find with any member of the nijsseni group you need soft water, or a low hardness. I spawn all of my blackwater apistos in blackwater, using commercial blackwater and Indian almond leaves to soften the water.
I found Panduros quite easy to spawn, but you have to make sure you have a pair. Buy a group of juvies and let them systematically pair off, eventually you will have a pair from 7-8 individuals.
If you only have a male and female you most likely will not get a spawning pair. With the Nijsseni group, even moving an established pair from tank to tank or rearranging their territory can completely sever the pair bond.
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