A. cacatuoides & Blue Rams - Aquarium Advice

HiJaC · 05-19-2008, 11:40 AM

Hi,

I'm thinking of axeing my

Apistogramma cacatuoides breeding tank and moving them into my main tank. Problem is that in the 46G corner tank (pics in the aquascaping section) are my pair of Blue Rams.

The Blue Rams never breed, but the Cac's do all the time.

Will they get along or just fight to the death?

Thanks,

Jac

**Zagz** · 05-19-2008, 12:34 PM

Most of the time rams and apistos get along. The fry will be in danger with the rams most likely though. You must remember that all fish have different personalities and they may not get along. You will need to be prepared just in case with a back up plan.

rich311k · 05-19-2008, 12:38 PM

My cacs and rams did well together. They were in a 36 gallon. As Anne says it depends on the fish.

HiJaC · 05-19-2008, 12:47 PM

i'm dreading taking them out again if it goes wrong.

last time i did this i had to take out EVERYTHING from the planted tank to find the expert hiding female.

**Zagz** · 05-19-2008, 02:04 PM

It is unlikely you will have any problems. Including myself I know of many that have kept them together with no difficulties.

Gillie · 06-03-2008, 05:06 PM

I actually wouldn't worry about any fry that the Cacatuoides may have, they are more than capable of handling a couple of Rams/ super dithers in defense of their fry. Any Tetras, Plecos or Corys(with the exception of dwarf species) are a completely different story.

Big Ben · 06-16-2008, 06:01 PM

i keep them together in a 20,itll work fine.

HiJaC · 06-17-2008, 10:42 AM

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.

I moved the male and younger female the other week and its been all good so far.

The male ram and cac get on fine, best buddies even. The male cac does seem to chase the female ram a bit but she's used to it.

The female cac had a spawn right in the front left of the tank a couple of day ago but the egg's didnt last the night and there wasnt much territorialism going on thankfully.

I've got more issues with the older female left in the 20G breeder. She's gone and had another bloody brood already. Since she is the only fish left in that tank (other then a couple of oto's) she's happy as larry with her mega brood. Beyond that i've now started spotting at least 5 teenage cac's from a previous brood kicking about in the tank.

They must have been hiding all along while it was busyier and are now happyily taking over the almost empty tank.

I'm going to leave it a couple more month before tearing the tank down and relocating the last adult female. Any babies and teen's i can rescue will be donated to the LFS for their display tanks.

Best Regards,

John

p.s yes i will post pictures. next week after my holiday.

HiJaC · 07-31-2008, 08:48 AM

Hi,

Just a little update.

Have the elder female in now too and it is interesting to see that now the Cac's have a numerical superiority the females have got alot more "*****y" with the blue rams.

Even more surprising is that the younger female has managed to rear a brood and is currently staking out the centre of the tank as her fry area. Much to the dismay/amusement of the other 40 odd fish in the tank!

John

05-19-2008, 11:40 AM	#1
HiJaC Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 187	A. cacatuoides & Blue Rams Hi, I'm thinking of axeing my Apistogramma cacatuoides breeding tank and moving them into my main tank. Problem is that in the 46G corner tank (pics in the aquascaping section) are my pair of Blue Rams. The Blue Rams never breed, but the Cac's do all the time. Will they get along or just fight to the death? Thanks, Jac

05-19-2008, 12:34 PM	#2
Zagz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Admin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 11,322 Images: 92	Most of the time rams and apistos get along. The fry will be in danger with the rams most likely though. You must remember that all fish have different personalities and they may not get along. You will need to be prepared just in case with a back up plan. __________________ ----------- My Profile Page My tank & fish photos. Have you voted for AA today? Like the advice or comments someone gave you? Show your appreciation with the reputation button!

05-19-2008, 02:04 PM	#5
Zagz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Admin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 11,322 Images: 92	It is unlikely you will have any problems. Including myself I know of many that have kept them together with no difficulties. __________________ ----------- My Profile Page My tank & fish photos. Have you voted for AA today? Like the advice or comments someone gave you? Show your appreciation with the reputation button!

06-03-2008, 05:06 PM	#6
Gillie Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Romeo, Michigan Posts: 451	I actually wouldn't worry about any fry that the Cacatuoides may have, they are more than capable of handling a couple of Rams/ super dithers in defense of their fry. Any Tetras, Plecos or Corys(with the exception of dwarf species) are a completely different story. __________________ Phil

06-16-2008, 06:01 PM	#7
Big Ben Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 245 Images: 7	i keep them together in a 20,itll work fine. __________________ February 2006: 10 gallon. June 2006: 48 gallon. April 2007: 20 gallon. April 2008 150 gallon planning in process. When I move out it's going to be scary

05-19-2008, 12:38 PM	#3
rich311k Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 8,972 Images: 35	My cacs and rams did well together. They were in a 36 gallon. As Anne says it depends on the fish.

05-19-2008, 12:47 PM	#4
HiJaC Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 187	i'm dreading taking them out again if it goes wrong. last time i did this i had to take out EVERYTHING from the planted tank to find the expert hiding female.

06-17-2008, 10:42 AM	#8
HiJaC Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 187	Hi, Thanks for all the replies. I moved the male and younger female the other week and its been all good so far. The male ram and cac get on fine, best buddies even. The male cac does seem to chase the female ram a bit but she's used to it. The female cac had a spawn right in the front left of the tank a couple of day ago but the egg's didnt last the night and there wasnt much territorialism going on thankfully. I've got more issues with the older female left in the 20G breeder. She's gone and had another bloody brood already. Since she is the only fish left in that tank (other then a couple of oto's) she's happy as larry with her mega brood. Beyond that i've now started spotting at least 5 teenage cac's from a previous brood kicking about in the tank. They must have been hiding all along while it was busyier and are now happyily taking over the almost empty tank. I'm going to leave it a couple more month before tearing the tank down and relocating the last adult female. Any babies and teen's i can rescue will be donated to the LFS for their display tanks. Best Regards, John p.s yes i will post pictures. next week after my holiday.

07-31-2008, 08:48 AM	#9
HiJaC Aquarium Advice Activist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 187	Hi, Just a little update. Have the elder female in now too and it is interesting to see that now the Cac's have a numerical superiority the females have got alot more "*****y" with the blue rams. Even more surprising is that the younger female has managed to rear a brood and is currently staking out the centre of the tank as her fry area. Much to the dismay/amusement of the other 40 odd fish in the tank! John __________________ 5.5G Red Cherry Shrimp Tank - 20G Cichlid Breeding Tank - 46G High Tech Planted Corner Tank

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