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Old 04-06-2007, 10:23 PM   #1
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New GBRs - PICS + More Pics! - Confirm my Sexing please.

Hi guys,

My LFS got a whole tankful of GBRs in this week and they are BEAUTIFUL! I really want to get a pair.

Do you think they will be ok in a community tank with: a Dwarf Gourami, Praecox Rainbows, Cherry barbs, and rummynose tetras, and RCS?

The tank is heavily planted with tons of hiding places.

Thanks!
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My Fish: 1 German Gold Ram, 3 Praecox Rainbows, 1 Otocinclus Catfish, 1 Siamese Algae Eater, 1 Rummynose Tetra, 4 Cherry Barbs
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Old 04-06-2007, 10:41 PM   #2
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The only issue may be with the gourami. GBR's need very very good water quality, even better than discus if you ask LWB

Have you seen Bolivian Rams? They are just as beautiful and much more hardy imho.

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Old 04-06-2007, 10:47 PM   #3
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male cherry barbs can be real aggressive/territorial, especially if they don't have enough of their own to pick on. I have 1 pair, male and female cherry barbs, and the male is constantly chasing around most of the fish, neons, glass cats, glass fish, even the larger columbian tetras.

I have no doubt that a GBR, who is relatively the same size as a Columbian tetra, would also be chased by the cherry barbs. GBRs get stressed very easy as well, and a vigilante male barb would make it worse.

20 Gallon is also boarder line small for GBRs, especially when you have other fish in it
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Old 04-06-2007, 10:50 PM   #4
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male cherry barbs can be real aggressive/territorial\
My cherry barbs don't seem to be aggressive to anything. I have 6 of them, all males and maybe 1 female. My bolivian had to put one in its place once when it tried to intrude on its shrimp pellet. Fish politics are fun to watch at times
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Old 04-06-2007, 10:53 PM   #5
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Water Quality: I'm waaay over filtered and have never had a problem with water quality.

Cherry Barbs: I have a group of 5 barbs, and have never seen them chase or be aggressive toward any of the other fish.

The gourami has never been aggressive either, except it bit me once.
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My Fish: 1 German Gold Ram, 3 Praecox Rainbows, 1 Otocinclus Catfish, 1 Siamese Algae Eater, 1 Rummynose Tetra, 4 Cherry Barbs
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:00 PM   #6
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GBR's aren't as delicate as most mention. Currently I have GBR's in my community tank (by the way pH 8.4 and kH and gH off the charts). They have been in my tank for approximately one year. Only problems you will have are RCS with the GBR's. Snacks for what I consider a spunky fish. Also the Dwarf Gourami may be picked at by the GBR's. I have banded gourami's in my community tank and they keep their distance from the male GBR's. I also have GBR's housed with peacock gudgeons and American Flag fish. The GBR's hold their own.

The real knock on GBR's is that unfortunately with demand a large portion of inferior fish make it to the market. These don't do well and fade away. If the LFS you frequent uses good sources you shouldn't have much to worry about.
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:04 PM   #7
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Thanks Lepomis.

My LFS is awesome and I have full confidence in their fish. I'll give the GBRs a try and see how they do.

Thanks everyone who replied.
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My Fish: 1 German Gold Ram, 3 Praecox Rainbows, 1 Otocinclus Catfish, 1 Siamese Algae Eater, 1 Rummynose Tetra, 4 Cherry Barbs
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:10 PM   #8
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Cherry barbs aren't as nippy as some say. As long as you have several, they play with themselves. I've never had any problems with mine, they leave the other fish alone....
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:13 PM   #9
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i have two spawning pairs of GBRs, and love them. One pair has a tank to their own (so they can spawn without worrying about other fish eating their eggs), and the other pair is currently sharing space with a couple guppies that I can't seem to find another place for. They are great fish, I love them. I was very determined to keep them too. This two pairs I bought back in December, and they are the fourth round that I have bought, and the only ones that have lived for more than a month. They can be quite finicky, but so long as they come from a good place, and are strong to begin with, they will do just fine.
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GBR's do not require pristine water conditions as some have mentioned. Don't let this scare you away from purchasing them. The ones that have problems tend to come from fish farms in Asia and they have been pumped full of hormones to grow quickly and to show color sooner. These fish often last a few months tops and are of very poor quality. If you can find good GBR's from a breeder, or an LFS that acquired them locally, this would be your best option to obtain good quality.
I have 8 GBR's in my 55 and I did have some ghost shrimp (about a dozen) in there before adding the GBR's. They were gone within a few weeks though I never actually saw a GBR eating one they may have done it. As for your situation I would not recommend GBR's not because of the fish already in there (even though I see issues with the barbs) but because the tank is already stocked with 16 fish (as per your "my info" minus the guppies that you didn't mention) plus you have shrimp of an unknown quantity in there. Your tank is stocked to its fullest IMO. A pair of GBR's can be housed in a 10 gallon tank for breeding (by themselves) but all of the other fish that you have in the 20 would be over the capacity as I have already stated.
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