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Old 03-16-2004, 10:03 PM   #1
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Okay Ally..thinkin on angels

I want a theme tank for my living room smaller than the 177 for the BKG. I want it black and white mostly. And angels are going to be the stars.
To keep colors from mucking up will groups of different types prevent that?
I want the stripey ones some white ones adn black laces. I want at least 2-4 fair size ones as centerpiece. At least a dozen various
And botia bottom cleaners I guess.
Tell me some tank facts....
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Wouldn't you have a problem with the larger ones bullying the smaller ones? Especially if a pair of larger ones decide to mate?

Sun loach is a dark loach (botia eos). Yo-yo loach (botia almorhae) would go with the stripey patterned angels and they are somewhat a silvery and dark color. Stay away from tiger loaches (botia hymenophysa) as it has no qualms about attacking angelfish 5 times its size and nipping their fins as well (though they do fit the theme you are trying to establish color/pattern wise).

You don't want to go for corydoras for bottom cleaners? It is very easy to find corys without colors...and my angelfish gets along with the corys just fine (they ignore eachother other than when a cory clumsily bumps into the angelfish and startles it).
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:24 PM   #3
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Heh..there are some cories that may fit the patterns as well too but harder to find...but I am thinking .
Sids would look nice doncha think ^_^.
Skunk botias are scrappy lil loaches.
I am first filling my top/mid layer. I plan to have many in/out decoration and some proper dither fish.
But I need to know a reasonably safe dimension to have that many various angels and allow aggression dithering through plants decorations and non angels. Prolly the adult penguins or somethin. I dont know if 3 inches are enough.
And I am not sure if freshwater angels have very many specie varieties or is it all morphs? I'd like a size range of the 6 inchers and then 4 -4ish inch and then a handful of smaller.
I would like wild type stripey ones as my biggest I think. I like marbles..the plain kind.

But just cuz like it doesn't mean I can make it happen..or I would have 12 betta in a 40. ^_^
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:40 PM   #4
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Yes sidthimunki would be nice if you can find them at a reasonable price (last time I saw was $14.99 for each 1 inch fish).

I wouldn't think skunks would fit what you wanted due to their pinkish hue.

I remember allyvimar remarking that she had 6 adults in a 55gallon tank and then after adding an additional one a mated pair formed. That pair basically pushed the other angels into 1/3 of the tank and took the other 2/3 for themselves.

They are mostly all morphs. The two main species would be pterophyllum scalare and pterophyllum altum. Altums are supposedly rare to find in stores. The altums are the larger angelfish I believe. (scalare being 4" at adult size being common).

Were you planning to buy adult fish rather than raise them to adult size? Adult angelfish seem to be quite costly around here...except I found a very lucky deal on a 2.5" marble angelfish for $4.50. Other than that similar size fish seem to go for around $15 to $25 each.
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Sounds like it should be a great tank. Be sure and post some pics when you get it done
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Oooo..a black n white angel tank. Very cool! I've seen one before; I'll have to hunt down the post when I get back from work.

In the meantime, figure around 10g per angel to determine tank size. You might want to look at 5 in a 55g; this way theres some room for fish to run to when 2 decide breeding is in order (boy can they be aggressive buggers!). Taller tanks are better then longer for angels btw, they need the room for their fins. Keep the water current to a minimum; they hate fast water (they aren't built for it).

Buncha choices for the fish morphs. One of the black morphs, a marble, an albino blushing, a silver and a half black would look awesome, although some of those may be hard to find. Check out the different phenotypes here: http://www.angelsplus.com/galry-angel-a-g.htm . And there are no guarantees on size; they're all the same species and should all reach around 6 inches including fins, but theres no guarantee. My mated pair is a prime example. He's a huge male almost 4 inches in body length and another good 5 in tail length, she's a tiny lil slut...erm..female LOL about 2 1/2 body length and 2 fin length. They look like the high school football player and his cheerleading g/f LOL

I like the idea of the yoyos; I've 3 in my 55g with the angels (along with 3 clowns and a plec) and they are extremely amusing *grin* They don't mess with the angels, although they will follow them around from time to time looking fascinated LOL. I agree skunks wouldn't fit in color wise; they are also very aggressive.
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Old 03-17-2004, 09:47 AM   #7
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I can get a couple good size wild types at my lil lfs (they are 5-6 inches depending how measured) cheap (?8 ea). I love the stripes and them crazy eyes. He has no marbles but does have a humongous ?pearlscale?($16) and a bunch of super fancy tails black lace (just look plain jet black to me) at about (not cheap 12)3 inches.
He doesn't carry many loaches very often..so it'll be a search.

How many angels as opposed to dithers will have to change if they are all phenotypes as a I feared ~sigh!~ Sounds like another custom tank is in order for them after they out grow a 55 size. I will prolly go slow and get the tank first. I dont want less than 10 total angels so there is a hundred gallons right there.
Now for dither fish...I would love penguin tetras but they are some fair sized ones and I couldn't keep a big enough group. I want a small dither cloud of fish big enough not to be lunch with he black/white/silver thing going.Mine will all be adult size by then anyway..pitas.
Gotta recheck yo-yos and loaches..think a trip to LOL is in order..^_^
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PS there will be another Black and white tank on same floor with black ghost and snack ..I mean tankmates.
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That does sound like a cool tank. Keeping with your black and white scheme, how about black skirt tetras. I've got a few in with my 3 black veilteils and it's proved to be a good mix.
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I was thinking of skirted tetras too..I was wondering if they are "angel" shaped for territory issues with 10 angels. i know angels can be aggressive but I am use to gourami that can be fine for a long time then BANG.."hey buddy!..I don't klike the way you twitched your fin >: ( Grr-rawr! Leave or DIE"

Are they not the same size as penguinfish? (3in)
I wish I could get dahli loaches. Mooses are marbled .
Trouble is many loaches yellow out after they are past juvenile stage.
I thought of platys..but I only want a FEW platy ...not legions! Darn fecund things!
My two skunks are very white/silver toneed in body. But the aggressive nature is a possible issue. They are pretty mean to other bottom dwellers. But are they really up to trying to harrass a same size or larger cichlid in sheeps clothing?
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