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Old 06-25-2006, 06:36 PM   #1
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Want German Blue Rams AND Yellow Labs...will this work?

I would like to purchase some German Blue Rams and have heard that they prefer a pH of anywhere from 5.5-7.0. Most of the other fish that I would like to buy including a pleco or two, probably some tetras, ghost shrimp, a blue crayfish, some freshwater clams, etc., etc. will work in this pH range since the fish are from the same general geographic area. My problem/question is that I would like to have some African cichlids in this setup as well (a 55 gallon tank) but the pH ranges are not optimal for both. I was wondering if there was anything that I could do (maybe a neutral pH) that would make this "work". I was curious as to whether the fish (the yellow labs) could live in a neutral pH and what extremes they could tolerate. Is pH mainly a factor for breeding? If so I would like to have the pH level that favors the GBR's but I don't want to sacrifice the cool colors of the African cichlids such as the yellows. Any advice?
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I personally would not put rams in with more aggressive cichlids as they will suffer a great deal of stress. Rams are far more peaceful than yellows for example.
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Old 06-25-2006, 07:21 PM   #3
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Aren't labs considered "semi-aggressive"? I completely understand what you are saying but I was hoping that such a "large" tank could hold 4 yellows and 2-3 blues without much conflict. It will be planted quite heavily and there will be ample hiding spaces if I were to try placing both species in the same tank. What do you think about this? Do you still feel that I should avoid trying it or is it at least worth a try?
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I have a 125 gal and would not put my rams in with my cichlids. When your yellows are young it might be ok, but when they get to sexual maturity they will get aggressive when trying to mate. I have 8 yellows and they have their very mean moments.
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Old 06-25-2006, 07:45 PM   #5
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I agree completly with Anne. Labs and Rams should not be mixed. Labs are an African Mbuna whereas German Blues are a New World. Labs are "peaceful" in situations with other Africans. They should not be mixed with Peaceful community fish. Their aggression will shine through.

On a side notw, are you planning on having all of those fish that you listed in the same tank? The Blue Lobster is really not a good idea.
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Yes FishyFanatic I WAS planning on putting all of them in the same tank. I heard that the blue lobster will stay away from the fish for the most part but I realize that it may eat the clams and the shrimp if it gets ahold of them. Do you suggest just doing away with the lobster?

I would like to have some "colorful" fish in my setup but it looks like the fish that I want will not do well with one another. Maybe I will just go with an African cichlid setup because the colors are FAR MORE interesting to me. I liked the GBR's because of the nice coloration but I guess I don't know what I am going to do right now since nothing seems like it will work for me. I have two paths to choose from and ca't decide. Maybe I won't even get an aquarium after all.
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GBR's prefer soft acidic water, while Yellow Labs prefer a much higher pH and hardness. They are also 2 totally different types of cichlids. Rams are New World/SA cichlids and Labs are African/Lake Malawi. The two should not be mixed...

Other than the fact that they are fish, are cichlids, and are both beautiful....they have nothing in common.
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The blue crayfish will without a doubt go after ur fish and eventually eat them .... they are very aggressive and should be in a specis only tank .... on the note of rams and labs i would agree with everyone else and say do one or the other .... i have not had GBR but they are beautiful . but i do have bolivians and they are awesome too and you can keep all kinds of other community fish with them. An african setup is what i plan to do next in a 55 but i decided to go with a community first .... ultimately its up to you and what you decide you wanna take care of and look at everyday

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You should defiantely get an aquarium. To satisfy all your needs, get multiple. lol After you get your first one there is no turning back. Africans are beautiful fish with great personality. A 55 gal tank is perfect for them. If you really want that Lobster, get another smaller tank just for him. They will eat anythign they can catch. And if they catch a sleeping fish, well, you know what will happen. Good Luck!
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I agree that multiple tanks are best.
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