mdawg75
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Ya the pouch for sure. she will not open her mouth enough for me to see though. I think Im going to move her over to a holding tank soon.
When do Fry become juveniles?
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WendiDell
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Ya it's pretty distinctive, once you know what to look for. She never will open her mouth now, not even to eat, until she spits out the fry. Then she'll eat like there is no tomorrow.
Post pics. when your fry are out, I'd love to see them. I have a whole new fascination now with fry.
toddnbecka
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Hmm, fry pics? I have a few...
Synodontis multi, would have been a brood of peacock fry:
L-10a red lizard whiptail fry. Not difficult to spawn, but raising them is a different matter:
Brown BN fry:
Albino BN fry:
Super red BN fry:
Cryptoheros cutteri fry:
Juvies here:
Australoheros oblongum fry:
Synodontis multi, would have been a brood of peacock fry:
L-10a red lizard whiptail fry. Not difficult to spawn, but raising them is a different matter:
Brown BN fry:
Albino BN fry:
Super red BN fry:
Cryptoheros cutteri fry:
Juvies here:
Australoheros oblongum fry:
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WendiDell
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OMG!!! How many tanks do you have? And how often are your fish producing?Hmm, fry pics? I have a few...
Synodontis multi, would have been a brood of peacock fry:
L-10a red lizard whiptail fry. Not difficult to spawn, but raising them is a different matter:
Brown BN fry:
Albino BN fry:
Super red BN fry:
Cryptoheros cutteri fry:
Juvies here:
Australoheros oblongum fry:
I'm going crazy trying to find space for the few fry we have now. I can't imagine finding space for all those different types of fry, but they are very cool to watch.
toddnbecka
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I have 13 tanks running, and there is almost always something spawning. The cutteri are the worst, I have 4 pairs that regularly produce hundreds of fry between them. Very few of them grow out though, between the catfish and Carapo knife they share tanks with the fry get picked off unless I move them to growout tanks. The BN also produce quite a number of fry now that I have multiple breeding pairs in various tanks. I toss the brown BN fry into the cichlid tanks for snacks and grow out the albino and calico fry from the brown breeders. I also have 2 pairs of super red BN that spawn regularly, I do grow out their fry. I currently have 4 young Synodontis multi's, 2 juvies from last year and 2 tubby little ones from a couple months ago. Each of those took out a mouthful of peacock eggs and likely a few of their siblings before the female peacocks spit them out. Nonetheless, I have peacock fry in several tanks too, some that I moved and some that are growing on their own, dodging between the rocks.
I also have groups of other pleco's, L-333, L-340, LDA-08 and L-134's that I hope will be spawning this year, as well as the 6 little Tanganykian catfish that help keep the cutteri under control. Working on Sewellia lineolata and reticulata too, though I'm running out of tankspace. Will probably get rid of the brown BN breeders shortly to free up a couple of 40 gallon breeder tanks. Then there's the several hundred endler's livebearers, and even a few white cloud fry growing out in a 10 gallon tank along with 5 adults...
I also have groups of other pleco's, L-333, L-340, LDA-08 and L-134's that I hope will be spawning this year, as well as the 6 little Tanganykian catfish that help keep the cutteri under control. Working on Sewellia lineolata and reticulata too, though I'm running out of tankspace. Will probably get rid of the brown BN breeders shortly to free up a couple of 40 gallon breeder tanks. Then there's the several hundred endler's livebearers, and even a few white cloud fry growing out in a 10 gallon tank along with 5 adults...
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WendiDell
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I have 13 tanks running, and there is almost always something spawning. The cutteri are the worst, I have 4 pairs that regularly produce hundreds of fry between them. Very few of them grow out though, between the catfish and Carapo knife they share tanks with the fry get picked off unless I move them to growout tanks. The BN also produce quite a number of fry now that I have multiple breeding pairs in various tanks. I toss the brown BN fry into the cichlid tanks for snacks and grow out the albino and calico fry from the brown breeders. I also have 2 pairs of super red BN that spawn regularly, I do grow out their fry. I currently have 4 young Synodontis multi's, 2 juvies from last year and 2 tubby little ones from a couple months ago. Each of those took out a mouthful of peacock eggs and likely a few of their siblings before the female peacocks spit them out. Nonetheless, I have peacock fry in several tanks too, some that I moved and some that are growing on their own, dodging between the rocks.
I also have groups of other pleco's, L-333, L-340, LDA-08 and L-134's that I hope will be spawning this year, as well as the 6 little Tanganykian catfish that help keep the cutteri under control. Working on Sewellia lineolata and reticulata too, though I'm running out of tankspace. Will probably get rid of the brown BN breeders shortly to free up a couple of 40 gallon breeder tanks. Then there's the several hundred endler's livebearers, and even a few white cloud fry growing out in a 10 gallon tank along with 5 adults...
HOLY COW, you must have a house full of tanks and no furniture or at least the Master Bedroom as a designated fish room.
At the rate things are going around here I am thinking about putting a 40g breeder/fry tank with dividers in my Bedroom, which is the Master Bedroom.
I just don't have the tank space I need. I have a 55g Mbuna tank with a divider for my Elect.Yellow & White labs that are holding. A 10g that was a QT for the Green Dragon BN Plecos, but is now a grow out tank for them and for the 5 week old fry. And a second 10g that was for the Mbuna when they are holding but now is a QT for 2 new Half Black Blushing Veil Tail Angelfish and 5 Hi Fin/Long Fin Black Skirt Tetra I just got from our not so LFS for a buck.
And I would love to breed the Green Dragon BN Plecos. They are incredibly cute and you don't see them everywhere, like some of the more common BN.
Since you seem to know quite a bit about breeding. Is a 40g w/dividers big enough for a breeder tank or should I go for another 55g tank w/dividers for a breeder tank?
mdawg75
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Great fun with those pics, Thanks for them. Im trying to get a 10 Gallon ready to transplant my Female Peacock over to before she spits them. Its getting ready with seeded gravel from my 55.
Question, I put the small 10G filter in the back of one of my HOB of the 55. How long would it take to seed that filter ??? Days, weeks
Question, I put the small 10G filter in the back of one of my HOB of the 55. How long would it take to seed that filter ??? Days, weeks
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WendiDell
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When I seeded my tank it took a week to get 20ppm nitrAtes. he time can very though.
mdawg75
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Thanks WendiDell 
toddnbecka
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I only have a 30L and a 20H upstairs, the rest are in the basement.
Tank size depends on what you want to breed, whether you plan to grow out the fry in the tank with the parents, and how many spawns you want to work with. Fast-growing live plants and enough light to maintain them is very helpful for water quality, and they also provide a habitat for micro-critters that tiny fry eat. The 40 breeders are a nice size tank because they have the 18" depth like the 75's and 90's. A 55 isn't a bad size tank, but a 75 does give you more options with the larger footprint. For territorial fish it's all about the floorspace, not the depth of the water. Fry are more concerned with volume, they aren't going to argue over a particular corner.
An established pair of cichlids can be housed and spawned in a 20L, but that doesn't allow much space for fry to grow out. The pics of the cutteri fry were of a 29, and you can see how much they had grown after several months. Most were moved out to a 40 and a 55 for further growout/consumption by the Carapo knife, and that was just one brood. Same with the oblongums, I actually had a brood of both cutteri and oblongum spawned with one week. Unfortunately, I lost all but a few of the oblongums several weeks ago after growing them out since last August. Started as an outbreak of Ich, but then something else seemed to hit them shortly after the Ich appeared. I also culled 80 spawning-size adult cutteri last February, simply not enough space for them.
I keep the super red BN (4 adults and likely 100+ fry at any given time,) 6 L-333 and the uncountable swarm of black bar and peacock endler's in the 30L. The tank is also filled with Najas indica and covered with duckweed. The plants keep the water quality good, otherwise there's no way that volume of water would support so many fish. Aside from the L-333's they're all breeding, healthy, and growing, have been for over a year since I moved some endler's into the tank. When the fry grow to over 1" I move them to other tanks for further growout and/or list them for sale.
The peacocks are housed in 3 75's, 3 pairs of cutteri in a 90, and I have brown BN in almost all the other tanks. I have a 33L that I use for a community fry tank, currently houses a load of super red BN, the blonde endler's, about 18 peacock fry, and the 2 wee Synodontis while they grow a bit larger. That tank is loaded with hornwort and duckweed, like the 30L and the Najas.
Tank size depends on what you want to breed, whether you plan to grow out the fry in the tank with the parents, and how many spawns you want to work with. Fast-growing live plants and enough light to maintain them is very helpful for water quality, and they also provide a habitat for micro-critters that tiny fry eat. The 40 breeders are a nice size tank because they have the 18" depth like the 75's and 90's. A 55 isn't a bad size tank, but a 75 does give you more options with the larger footprint. For territorial fish it's all about the floorspace, not the depth of the water. Fry are more concerned with volume, they aren't going to argue over a particular corner.
An established pair of cichlids can be housed and spawned in a 20L, but that doesn't allow much space for fry to grow out. The pics of the cutteri fry were of a 29, and you can see how much they had grown after several months. Most were moved out to a 40 and a 55 for further growout/consumption by the Carapo knife, and that was just one brood. Same with the oblongums, I actually had a brood of both cutteri and oblongum spawned with one week. Unfortunately, I lost all but a few of the oblongums several weeks ago after growing them out since last August. Started as an outbreak of Ich, but then something else seemed to hit them shortly after the Ich appeared. I also culled 80 spawning-size adult cutteri last February, simply not enough space for them.
I keep the super red BN (4 adults and likely 100+ fry at any given time,) 6 L-333 and the uncountable swarm of black bar and peacock endler's in the 30L. The tank is also filled with Najas indica and covered with duckweed. The plants keep the water quality good, otherwise there's no way that volume of water would support so many fish. Aside from the L-333's they're all breeding, healthy, and growing, have been for over a year since I moved some endler's into the tank. When the fry grow to over 1" I move them to other tanks for further growout and/or list them for sale.
The peacocks are housed in 3 75's, 3 pairs of cutteri in a 90, and I have brown BN in almost all the other tanks. I have a 33L that I use for a community fry tank, currently houses a load of super red BN, the blonde endler's, about 18 peacock fry, and the 2 wee Synodontis while they grow a bit larger. That tank is loaded with hornwort and duckweed, like the 30L and the Najas.
