Yes I was typing my first reply while you were typing your first reply and apparently posted at the same time. I had the 14,000 for a while and they were a noticable improvement over the 10,000. Then I got the 20's and it was an amazing difference. I still use my actinics though because they allow me to have two timers and have the flour to come on and go off 1 hour before and after the mh to combat light shock. My fans are also hooked to that circuit to pull the residual heat from the mh after they go off.