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Old 01-13-2015, 05:06 PM   #11
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How would they do it? Just curious.


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Let's say I own certain corals on the list and I grow them and frag them. Aren't there now more of that coral (and nothing in the ocean was touched/ harmed). IMO, that is the way to go. Same idea with some of the fish that can be bred here. Making it illegal to even own said corals or fish (especially if you already had them) is crazy.
This is clearly not the case though. You see, when any one of us makes this hobby attractive to others, we are helping destroy the reefs, because not everyone is going to want to buy aquacultured. As a matter of fact, I lost count of the people who came to me when I was selling who wanted large colonies instead of little frags. Where are they going to get these?

Not to mention the carbon footprint associated with this hobby or any other. It all adds to the pile.

I'm for making it illegal to take another living thing from the ocean. Whatever we have here now, is enough. If it's not, then we are doing it wrong.
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They'd probably have to apply for some sort of grow licence or something. Then be inspected and report on how many fish were born, that sort of thing. I don't know for certain but if you can buy certified angus beef from the USA I'm sure you can certify a clownfish from the USA. Dog breeders can produce papers that are certified for breed and purity. Food is certified organic. There are ways for sure...
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Dog breeders can swap out dogs and mix in other things and do all sorts of things with those papers. You can't trust them.
BTW, ORA's colonies were all wild at one point. A ban on collecting would be the end of any new corals from ORA.
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A important read for hobbiests about hard coral protection

I agree, especially high rollers want big pieces and have no patience. But IMO, I could care less for their needs. I feel most of them are into "statement" tanks and care little about the behind the scenes aspects. That's for the hired help to worry about...

Those of us that are dedicated can grow coral heads that are nicer than anything wild collected. That's what I'm doing, I'm not fragging (yet) but I am growing out big colonies that I will eventually sell for big numbers to said high rollers. In my case I can supply photographic evidence it was captive grown. What's a 12" GARF bonsai worth? A lot.

There is similarity with tree farms. Well healed or just impatient people will pay a high price to buy a big tree grown elsewhere. Instant gratification is a good business to be in.

But my bet is they will make it simple for themselves. When a coral or fish is added to the list there would be no trade in that animal anymore. Hopefully they will be smarter than that. We'll all end up hiding in our basements like pot farmers trading illicit frags!


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Exaclty, we even use the same grow lights...lol
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No one will sell a 12" GARF Bonsai because there's no one who will pay what it's worth. You are MUCH better off cutting that thing in 100 pieces, or cutting 10 pieces a month, for the next 10 years. A guy that will even offer you a grand for that coral is still stealing it as far as I'm concerned.
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You may be right. Luckily I don't make my living doing this. Guess I'll just populate my 1000 gallon reef (to come...) with my big corals.


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On the bright side, this might encourage companies to spend the money and research to start breed these fish and corals in captivity. There are some saltwater fish that just can't be bred in captivity. But with the proper finding and equipment I think most fish could be captive bred. It's simply not as economical seeing as its cheaper just to take the fish out of the ocean.

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Hopefully some inverts will eventually be captive bred too.

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