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Old 01-12-2015, 04:41 PM   #1
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A important read for hobbiests about hard coral protection

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Old 01-13-2015, 12:59 AM   #2
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There is a lot going on out there right now. If it all occurs, our hobby, as we know it, will be very different. Big list of SPS and LPS plus more and more fish being looked at as endangered.


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Yes. But even a crack down won't destroy the hobby. It will change it, but even now it's a frag market for corals. The issue is that a endangered coral may not be legal to even cultivate commercially if some get their way. They would say there's no way to tell wild collected then fraged, from cultivated. Fish are an even more complicated issue that no one is prepared for. Yet.


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Old 01-13-2015, 04:03 AM   #4
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We ( my reef club) just made a thousand dollar donation to this organization. I know cause I wrote the check. LOL There's alot of speculation going on right now as to what will be changed and to what degree. Hopefully the changes are in the best interest of the creatures as well as the hobbyist.

Our last meeting, two days ago we had four speakers and each one spoke in depth about conservation, even Julian Sprung who usually talks about keeping a fish tank was 110% for the conservation effort. Mike Palleta(sp) also spoke for over an hour about this and the potential of what could come to pass if we dont start doing things differently.

These guys, the top in their field are pushing for hobbyists to take more responsibility or what we take for granted will be taken away from us.
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I am also for it. I hope they stop allowing us to take anything from the ocean. This hobby is quite detrimental to our fishy friends.
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We started talking about this on this forum years ago. We either do it, or it will get done by others.


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Old 01-13-2015, 12:45 PM   #7
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I am all for conservation. I'd be okay if they stopped importing...but the idea that these should not be cultivated commercially or individually makes zero sense to me.

Let's say I own certain corals on the list and I grow them and frag them. Aren't there now more of that coral (and nothing in the ocean was touched/ harmed). IMO, that is the way to go. Same idea with some of the fish that can be bred here. Making it illegal to even own said corals or fish (especially if you already had them) is crazy.

I have not heard if the rest of the world is on board with this. If the US stops, but everywhere else stays the same, does that make a big enough dent to actually save all these species?


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For the most part it would just push things underground a bit more than it is. With the prices they way they are right now we're already starting to see more and more frag swaps and people connecting via the internet to trade frags. Clown fish spawn pretty easy in captivity, I doubt there will be a time that you can't get one via a message board if you really want one. People don't stop producing items if there is a demand. If hobbiests want acro frags and will pay for them, others will frag their acro's for them. There really aren't many banned substances that you can't get your hands on, its just wether or not its "legit" really.

But no matter what, unless they ban coral and fish completely, you can make an amazing reef tank out of any of the hundreds of varieties of coral/fish offered. If you take afew out of circulation it really doesn't matter...
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I am all for conservation. I'd be okay if they stopped importing...but the idea that these should not be cultivated commercially or individually makes zero sense to me.

Let's say I own certain corals on the list and I grow them and frag them. Aren't there now more of that coral (and nothing in the ocean was touched/ harmed). IMO, that is the way to go. Same idea with some of the fish that can be bred here. Making it illegal to even own said corals or fish (especially if you already had them) is crazy.

I have not heard if the rest of the world is on board with this. If the US stops, but everywhere else stays the same, does that make a big enough dent to actually save all these species?


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As I mentioned earlier, the problem is coming up with a way to insure the frag you were buying came from a cultivated colony or a wild one. Same with fishes. With the exception of custom morphed clown fish, it's impossible to tell a wild caught fish from a tank raised one.


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I bet ORA has a way to prove that all their coral/fish are captive and not wild. I mean obviously the orignals were but they've been cultivating for years now. I bet they'd agree to a 10% release of all their non blended fish back into the wild. They should probably leave the morphs in tanks but some true clowns could go back into the wild...
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