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Old 09-18-2004, 10:45 AM   #11
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My nitrates are at zero also without a DSB.
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Old 09-18-2004, 11:13 AM   #12
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People probably wont like this, but I had about 3" of CC for 4months. I wanted the sand look, and I was having no water issues, so I added about 2" of sand to the top. Everything is fine.

You know, it's propbably like that on the ocean floor. CC on bottom, sand on top.
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Old 09-18-2004, 12:22 PM   #13
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My nitrates are at zero also without a DSB.
Are you using algae scrubbers or just a ton of LR?
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I made my own nitrate filter and I have zero nitrates and 0 phoshate with all my tanks, if you would like to know, it was simple. I made the same filter out of arcrlic like the on eat the following website Natureef.com and just bought thier Nitragone & Phosagone products, very simple. You can add tons of fish and 0 everything guaranteed. I mean look at my inhabitants that occupie my tank.
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I really appreciate all the responses I got, i am sure glad i found this forum, i am finding it alot more helpful then the previous forum i was at. Thank you

Maybe one last question but i doubt it, how long will the sand take to create a home for the bacteria needed for nnr to start?

Now i need to try to find someone in San Diego that can spare a cup o live sand or two (seeding material for the sand, heh, i heard the bagged stuff at the lfs sucks?
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Be sure and get the cup of LS from a lr tank, or coral tank. Dont get the sand from a tank with fish in it. That's how Qshark got ich again in hid tank.
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Maybe one last question but i doubt it, how long will the sand take to create a home for the bacteria needed for nnr to start?

It will take a few months before the anaerobic bacteria populate the bottom layers of the DSB.
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If I understand the job of the protien skimmer correctly shouldn't it be removing all the compounds that would eventually be converted into nitrates such that a DSB wouldn't be necessary?

I'm running both a skimmer and a DSB and both seem to be working but now I'm not sure why
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Believe it or not, a 1" sand bed is enough for NNR.

I have a 2" bed and nitrates are undetectable most of the time.

I deliberately didn't go with a DSB because I was worried about sulfides building up under there and one day being released in fatal concentrations (which is what I think happened to Darin).

With the shallow bed, even bubbles from the bottom seem to make it out easily.
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Atari, said it right. I had a deep sand bed and one of my bleenies died right after he dug into the sand about 3 inches. I only have 3' now since I have eels, wrasses and gobies that like digging themselves in it. my nitrates are at around 5PPM.
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