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Old 01-07-2015, 05:31 PM   #21
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I dont want to do it in case i dont want to half a saltwater in a few years or so ahead

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I dont want to do it in case i dont want to half a saltwater in a few years or so ahead

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Sumps work just as well on fresh water tanks as they do on salt. But you can run a sump on an overflow box, you just have to be aware that there are risks. Check the tube regularly and it will be fine.
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Very likely if you have snails in your sump, or a refugium before your return pump.
""If"" you have snails in your sump "or" a refugium before...got ya! So if neither we are good to go!

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Furthermore, their wall of text is full of conflicting information. It's a gimmick move on the companies part that's trying to make their products seem better than their competition; when really they are just the same.
Just looks like good information to me in that wall of txt. That snake oil he is selling must be good for doing it for so long and so many products he sells as well.

So, again.... there is a "slight" difference between your old system and his as stated even if so small. For me, ive seen them working with no issues, havent heard any others with issues.....I'm a number kind of guy, so if there is a few out there i will say so. On Mike's grid about a year ago, power was shuting off and on for about week for whatever reason FPL had going on....about 2/3 times a day in the evening time.... Not one issues in the start up of the siphon. The only problem he had was with 2 of his koralia. One was spinning the other way and another with clicking trying to start when power came on.

For the record- If it was me i will drill that thing. OP doesn't feel comfortable enough in doing so.... cause what "if" he cracks his glass. If me, I will save and have someone do it for you. Check with an LFS if they will do it for you. Around here is about $10- $20 range for 1-4 holes. Check and ask it wont hurt. They made come out to you for a little extra or you are gonna have to take the aquarium to them. Or buy some glass and do a few test before getting your feet wet if you go that route. Even a sump on the freshwater side is awesome and the way to go IMHO. With a nice wet/dry and you are set..Good luck!
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For the record- If it was me i will drill that thing
Why? It sounds like you feel HOB overflows are bulletproof.
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Why? It sounds like you feel HOB overflows are bulletproof.

Cause what "If" i dont like the way they look, bud
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I looked through the choices and the option of having a hole and letting gravity take the water down seems like a better way but for now ill go with an overflow to avoid potentially damaging the glass. Tanks this big start to get mad expensive as most of you probably know. If it dosent work well duting the cycle ill have to hire someone to make the hole

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Would this be a good box to try http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewit...FaNj7Aods2gAtg

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Would this be a good box to try CPR CS Overflow Boxes

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Yes, but that one requires a pump called an aqualifter, which ensures the siphon will restart after a power outage.
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Just looks like good information to me in that wall of txt. That snake oil he is selling must be good for doing it for so long and so many products he sells as well.

So, again.... there is a "slight" difference between your old system and his as stated even if so small. For me, ive seen them working with no issues, havent heard any others with issues.....I'm a number kind of guy, so if there is a few out there i will say so. On Mike's grid about a year ago, power was shuting off and on for about week for whatever reason FPL had going on....about 2/3 times a day in the evening time.... Not one issues in the start up of the siphon. The only problem he had was with 2 of his koralia. One was spinning the other way and another with clicking trying to start when power came on.

For the record- If it was me i will drill that **** thing. OP doesn't feel comfortable enough in doing so.... cause what "if" he cracks his glass. If me, I will save and have someone do it for you. Check with an LFS if they will do it for you. Around here is about $10- $20 range for 1-4 holes. Check and ask it wont hurt. They made come out to you for a little extra or you are gonna have to take the aquarium to them. Or buy some glass and do a few test before getting your feet wet if you go that route. Even a sump on the freshwater side is awesome and the way to go IMHO. With a nice wet/dry and you are set..Good luck!
I never said it was snake oil. Just that he was trying to pass off an average product as extraordinary and was stretching to make it sound that way.

The problem with that type isn't restarting, which they will all do every time; but instead a gradual loss of flow due to a build up of air bubbles accumulating in the U tube. If you don't catch them it can cause a complete failure of the siphon.
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I believe that the bubbles accumulate when the return flow is not perfectly set to match the drain. If it's less than ideal, it will still run, but will lead to the scenario you speak of.
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