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Old 06-19-2003, 06:04 PM   #1
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Boycott Tetra

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Old 06-19-2003, 06:10 PM   #2
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Old 06-19-2003, 06:49 PM   #3
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Pardon my ignorance, but what did they do?
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Ok I have the video file. I am going to be uploading it to my personal webserver.

The file can be downloaded at http://www.vafishfreek.com/tetra.mpg

For anyone who has not seen the clip please feel free to download it from my site.

bigsnuff, Tetra was on the CBS early show last saturday and apparently showed how easy it was to setup a 'nemo' tank. There is much debate as to if they properly showed how to setup a tank and many feel they just glossed over many of the nessicary elements like not overstocking, acutally using salt, proper water temp, acclomation, etc.
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Old 06-20-2003, 11:14 AM   #5
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NOTE: this server is running off a DSL line so the download speeds will not be blazing fast so please be gentle with the number of connections.

http://www.vafishfreek.com/tetra.mpg --> 20MB MPEG file

http://www.vafishfreek.com/tetra.wmv --> 6.9MB Windows Media Player

http://www.vafishfreek.com/tetra1.rm --> 5.9MB RealVideo file
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Thanks a ton, cant wait to see it!!
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Old 06-20-2003, 12:37 PM   #7
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I just watched the entire video and here are my comments:

she seemed to me a mid level marketing type. In my experience they often know little of what they're talking about and often make over simplified statements to lure in new customers. That's their job.

this was a 4 minute discussion on "how to set up a kit tank". I think it is unreasonable to expect anyone to be able to go into every arguable minute detail on setting up a tank in 4 minutes. How long do we spend discussing filters, CC, DSBs etc on here? And our discussions are always on going. I think it is unfair to call for a boycott simply because they "glossed over" over stocking and over feeding. They DID mention, after all, to be careful of these things and did give general "rules of thumb" as we give "rules of thumb" on our own discussion board all the time. Should we expect Tetra to turn down the invitation to appear on the Talk show simply because the producers of the show wouldn't give them a full hour to discuss how to set up a fish tank? (and many here would argue that even an hour wouldn't be enough time... and in my opinion they're probably right)

What most likely happened here is someone at the TV show said, "Finding Nemo is HOT right now, lets get someone on the show to demonstrate how to set up a fish tank? but super-star-so-and-so will be on that day... so they can only have 4 minutes to show us" Has anyone CONTACTED Tetra for a statement regarding your concerns? How about everyone write them (snail mail OR e-mail) and note your concerns to them. See what TETRA has to say.

I think for a 4 minute demonstration they did better than many would. They DID discuss the following:
Water quality
Filters
Replacing the filters
Overstocking
Overfeeding
The need for lighting
Acclimation
Water Conditioning
Promoted tank bred fish rather than live caught

how much detail can you expect them to go into in 4 minutes? I'm impressed that they discussed that many items.

I have used Tetra products for a long time. I have always found their products to be some of the higher quality items I've used. I have filters and pumps from tetra that have been running for years with no problems.

To call for a boycot because of a 4 minute demonstration on a TV talkshow i think is over-reacting some. I will admit, I have not seen the "letter" that is discussed in the first post (i'm reluctant to sign up for YET ANOTHER discussion forum. I like the people and content here and the last thing I need is another site that distracts me while I'm at work! ; o) )

again, these are my opinions. I will not boycott Tetra or their products because of this 4 minute demonstration.

I implore you all to WATCH the video for yourselves and PLEASE form your own opinions. Please don't simply jump aboard because others are (that includes my view as well).
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Old 06-20-2003, 01:10 PM   #8
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I too, just finished watching it, here was my take on it.

- "It's actually very easy to set up an aquarium"

-Fish are the idiotproof pet (how many fish have been killed by smart people cause they had no clue what they were doing)

-Specifically called a 5g minibow a "Nemo Tank" For demonstration purposes would have been just as easy to do a 30 or 55g aquarium.

-Paracanturus Hepatis (looked to be about 3"), 2 Ocellaris clowns, seahorse, in a 5g tank that is approx 30min to 1hr old.

-Called the fish Farm Raised, I suppose it is possible that the tang was farm raised, but it wasn't Tank bred, tangs are broadcast spawners and have yet to be bred in captivity.

-Mentioned the need for acclimation, but when explained mentioned nothing more than temp, I'll give them this oone since there is a faction of the hobby that believes the temp acclimate and dump them method is actually less stressful that exchanging water.

-1" per gallon in a SW tank 8O

Here is my biggest problem with that little spot. How hard would it have been to say, "Please research your fish prior to purchase. Talk to your local fish retailer or cunsult one of the many online fishkeeping forums prior to setting up your aquarium." They couldn't do this, cause they had already said keeping fish was idiot proof. I am unsure of whether I would boycott Tetra or not, the point is mute for me, I haven't purchased a tetra product in about 5 years or more. I will be adding comments to the thread, possibly a copy and paste of what I have written here.
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Old 06-20-2003, 02:16 PM   #9
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"It's actually very easy to set up an aquarium"
Firstly, this statement was by the HOST of the show, not the speaker from Tetra. Secondly, isn't it simple to set one up? Of course if you take it to the extreme that many of US have, then yes, it is a daunting task. But you can set up a successful tank without needing a college degree.

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-Fish are the idiotproof pet (how many fish have been killed by smart people cause they had no clue what they were doing)
You've mis-quoted them here. THE HOST (NOT the woman from tetra) starts off saying, "I know fish are sometimes called the idiot proof pet because they don't take a lot of work..." but then clarifies "...but it does take some effort" To which the speaker from Tetra replies "It does take some effort. As long as you follow a few simple rules..."

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Here is my biggest problem with that little spot. How hard would it have been to say, "Please research your fish prior to purchase. Talk to your local fish retailer or cunsult one of the many online fishkeeping forums prior to setting up your aquarium."
I agree 100%. If I had anything to say about the CLIP that I saw would be that I wish I would have heard either the woman from Tetra or the host say that. Does that mena they didn't? I don't know. I did not see the whole show and thefore cannot say they did or not. I do know that they continued on discussing other tanks as I did see them approach a tank of pirahana and started to discuss them but the clip then faded to black. Perhaps she said that as they wrapped up the segment or perhaps if she interviewed the speaker after the demonstration.. I don't know becuase I did not see the entire show so I can not form an opinion on that which I have not seen for myself.


and THAT is what really bothers me about all this. I surfed through a couple of the other links supplied in these discussions and I am absolutely appauled at how quickly people got up in arms and formed such strong opinions and started blasting Tetra and CBS and anyone else they could think of based on nothing more than someone elses posts. I saw a few posts were people argued on and on about the limits and recomendations of a "15 gallon tank" when the woman in the clip clearly states in a 5 gallon tank. Then a few DAYS later in the same thread they start talking about wanting to SEE the clip... how can people get so inflamed about something that havn't even seen for themselves?

*breathe* so, i'll calm down now and say, while I have a different opinion on the clip that I saw from most others (and I'm sure I'll receive quite the bashing for it) I do respect your opinions. If you feel they were irresponsible in their actinos then it is your duty to call them on it. I just ask that people see things for themselves and act on evidence and fact, not on hearsay and rumor. Doing so only hurts all of us in the long run.
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My whole problem was that they
a)oversimplified everything by implication ie: glass container, add water, add fish and voila!
b)had someone completely unqualified from a company that is not even a marine specialty company telling you the best way to do things. why didnt Kent Marine do the spot?
c)made it look like stuffing 10 gallons of crap in a five gallon container is pure OK!

and I disagree with you completely Billy on your opinion of how "quickly people get up in arms". It takes people like that to get changes made. Slow and quiet never works. Semantics about whether it was a 5 or 15 gallon tank really made no difference...the example they gave was not a good one any way you look at it.
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