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Old 07-03-2005, 12:44 PM   #1
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Combined a tank added some fish, water quality is a bit off?

I had a 30 gallon saltwater tank with good water quality. I recently purchased a 20 gallon tank with excellent water quality (we saved all of the water) as well and about 30lb of rock. Well what I have done is combined the 2 tanks and put everything into my 44 gallon corner tank. So now I have about 50lbs of rock, a 3-4" crushed coral and sand bed. I originally had 2 small damsels, so those were already in the 44 gallon tank.

Yesterday I went to the pet store and purchased 1 scarlet reef, 4 Nassasarius (sp) snails, 2 turbo snails, 3 what the lady called brown hermit crabs, not sure that I've heard of these, 1 brittle star and a mandarin.

I did a water test this morning and these are my readings.

PH 8.2
Ammonia .50
Nitrite .50
Nitrate 5.0
Salinty 1.022

Are these water quality changes due to the combining of the 2 tanks or adding all of the new creatures or possibly both? I'm thinking I should have waited a few days before adding anything new.

Should I do some water changes or leave things as they are. The test kit says to use some stress zyme but I really don't want to add any chemicals if its not neccessary. I would like things to work themselves out naturally.

Thanks.

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Hi Kelly, and welcome to AA.

I would guess that combining the two tanks caused the increase in your water quality, by mixing the sandbed around. I would have waited a while before adding anything. How long have the other two tanks been up for? The reason i ask is because i have done a lot of research on Mandarins because i really want one, but they need a well established tank with plenty of food source, which needs around 100lbs of Liverock. I would take him back and get some credit, look into the scooter blennies, i beleive they are a little more hardier, although they need a well established tank as well. HTH.

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1 had been up for about 6 months the other over a year. I guess I just assumed (stupid thing to do) that because both tanks had such good quality combining them wouldn't make a difference. Around here where we live they aren't real keen on returns. I will give it a shot though. If not I'm goig to try to teach it to eat prepared foods.I found an article last night that they can be trained to eat prepared food. I knew about he estabished tank and lots of live rock just wasn't aware it was that much needed.

Should I do a water change? Or just leave things as they are?
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you might be able to get away with the mandarin, maybe someone else has more experience with them, Do you have a fuge or a sump? i would say your increase is from combining the two tanks, maybe do a 20% water change ASAP with well aged water. Inverts dont cause levels to jump around that much.
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maybe do a 20% water change ASAP with well aged water. Inverts dont cause levels to jump around that much.
What do you mean my well aged water?
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Use RO/DI water for a water change. You can buy this water at your LFS (local fish store). I would do a water change as soon as possible.
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basically you should mix the water up and have a heater in it and mayba a powerhead and let it sit for a day or two. Actually after the temp and salinity are right you can go ahead and change it out because of your high levels. Anybody else have any ideas?
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Are these water quality changes due to the combining of the 2 tanks or adding all of the new creatures or possibly both? I'm thinking I should have waited a few days before adding anything new.
You most likely disturbed the natural biological filtration of the tanks during the move. You are experiencing what is know as a "mini-cycle". You really should have waited until things stabilized a bit before adding anything new. For now, as mentioned, do large PWC using well-aged SW to keep water parameters down. Try to decrease the bioload in the tank as well. Feed lightly once every two or three days.
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YOu should really consider taking this fish back. It has very specific dietary needs and will most likely die of starvation in your tank. They require a very healthy pod population, 100lbs of LR and a very mature tank to survive.
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Well they would not take my mandarin back , however he does seem to be eating prepared squid, brine plus, formula one and marine cuisine. I have also seen it eating of of the rocks. I have been alternating daily each of these foods. Everyone seems to enjoy the variety.

My water has stabilized:

PH 8.2
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0

I have a powerhead that airates and pushes the water around, quite well I might add. But what I was wondering is it necessary to airate the water? What does this do?
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