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View Poll Results: Ever thought about running filterless?
I run filterless now. 13 41.94%
I've thought about it. 7 22.58%
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Old 05-04-2006, 12:30 PM   #31
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WOW Tec ... that sucker is HUGE!!! I think I'm going with the Remora ... they look more sleek! and have better reviews overall.

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Old 05-04-2006, 03:37 PM   #32
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I have a 30 gallon that has no filtration. Just two tank hooked together for more water volume and water changes.


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Old 05-04-2006, 05:42 PM   #33
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I have a 30 that pumps from the DT through my skimmer to a 10 fuge and then back to the DT.
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Old 05-04-2006, 06:34 PM   #34
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I voted "pure insanity" but I do see that numerous people do good w/o a "filter." I have a canister per recommendation of my lfs. Now I see I could have got about 10extra lb of lr for what I paid for the canister.
I also tend to lean towards carbon and I like the mechanical cause I get a lot of crap out when I rinse out the foam too.
I think- to each his(or her) own!
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Old 05-07-2006, 01:09 AM   #35
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Now, is "filterless" (Skimmer, LR, and ph only setups) feasible for reef tanks with a significant number of fish (or a significant bioload)?

I know of someone who has LR, bear bottom, powerheads, and a Deltec skimmer. And that's it. But he has more corals than fish. He probably only has a mandarin, a yellow tang, and clowns in his 100G tank. No sumps etc.

There are lots of examples at reefcentral as well. Chris (the guy who had the setup above) said that he has all those powerheads moving the water in order for detrius not to settle at the bottom. Then the Deltec skimmer skims the c r a p out of em.

I really believe in making things as simple and as efficient as possible.

When hobbyists go for sumps and fuges, auto top offs, complex electricals, Kalkwasser setups, complex plumbing, closed loops, etc, etc, that they're just really into the hobby of creation. And there's nothing wrong with that. I do see some amazing setups due to efficient use of all the above. But I believe that their fondness in the hobby is more towards the DIY fun than the specimen fun. I don't want to generalize, though, because I've met the ones that use the above and are very passionate aquarium activists as well.

It's just that when I see someone who placed so many hours, efforts, disasters, leaks, and all that, and looks somewhat similar to a setup I ended up with, I start to question the mileage covered for a somehow similar destination.

With that said, rock on, for people that enjoy DIY. They are all amazing masterpieces that are clearly fun to see.
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Old 05-07-2006, 08:48 AM   #36
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Now, is "filterless" (Skimmer, LR, and ph only setups) feasible for reef tanks with a significant number of fish (or a significant bioload)?
Sure, provided the LR ratio is up over 2lbs/gal and you adhere to a regular water change schedule. Substrate may also play a role. LS may be a better option then CC. Going bare-bottom allows for easy manual removal of any detritus, personally, I do not really like the looks of them as much.
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FWIW, when I first started my 29 gallon I was filterless. I had only lr, ls, and 3 powerheads for current. It didn't work for me. I had algae problem, cyano, etc. I'm using my tap water also, and can't use an ro/di unit becuase I have a small capacity well.

Adding a skimmer made all the difference. Now I run a skimmer and 2 powerheads, 2 pound per gallon live sand (it is now, anyways) and only 1 pound per gallon live rock, with more on the way. It works well for me too.

AMANIQU77, I think you summed up things well. Me, I like simplicity and ease, and this "berlin" system works well for me. I never did quite understand bare bottom tanks, when the goal for most hobbyists is to recreate a natural habitat...but to each their own.


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