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Old 12-14-2014, 11:12 AM   #71
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Correct and in base rocks they may have those anaerobic bb inside them but may not have the aerobics bb. When we seed the tank with LR it's not the former bb that we are seeding but the later bb. That is the reason why we keep the LR wet when moving to new tank.
Wrong, when you seed a tank with established "live rock", then you are introducing all types of bacteria, if the rock was transported properly.

why would the rock be populated with anaerobic bacteria, which takes considerably longer to get established, but not aerobic, which is present in greater numbers and multiplies faster?

Honestly, what you two are saying does not coincide with the science or common sense at all.

Again, why is this such an issue for you two.



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It's and issue between the 3 of us because we don't agree on certain points. Both bbs have different functions in the filtering process. For the benefit of others, anaerobic bb is more on cleaning up nitrates while aerobic bb is more on ammonia and nitrites. If a tank has out of control nitrates it is a sign that it has insufficient anaerobic bb.
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It's and issue between the 3 of us because we don't agree on certain points. Both bb has different functions in the filtering process. For the benefit of others, anaerobic bb is more on cleaning up nitrates while aerobic bb is more on ammonia and nitrites. If a tank has out of control nitrates it is a sign that it has insufficient anaerobic bb.
Yes, I concur with that, so why the disagreement?
What do you think I posted that is in error? Please quote me.

I actually thought I made clear mention of the differing roles of the BB and even the different time frames before they have thriving populations.

again it feels as if I am going to get an automatic contrary attitude from certain members here regardless of what I post.

Oh well, I'm getting a headache from this .
If you guys think I am completely wrong, site the science that would indicate that.
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I believe the disagreement lies in how anaerobic is seeded or colonized. The following link states that it will not survive in oxygenated areas.

Difference Between Aerobic and Anaerobic Bacteria | Difference Between | Aerobic vs Anaerobic Bacteria

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What?

again, not a misconception at all.
I honestly do not know what you are getting at with this one.

what is your point about high oxygen zones?
If seeding with rock that has anaerobic bacteria colonies present within, why do you assume that they would not survive when being introduced to a new tank?
how could it be present in dry rock?
what you posted really makes little sense nor is it scientifically sound.
Again seems as if you are being contrary simply for the sake of it.
Not at all. My point is that bacteria that lives in a low oxygen environment will not live in a high oxygen environment, correct? If so, you aren't seeding the new, dry rock with low oxygen bacteria, but none the less, it's there. The same goes for aerobic bacteria. It's already there. All it needs is food to grow to meet the bio load. No bottled bacteria or pre-cycled rock needs to be added and you'll still have all the beneficial bacteria you need in just a short time with the introduction of ammonia. People do it every day with BRS "reef saver" rock or similar. They don't want hitch hikers, so they use no live rock.
A month or so and it's a fully functional filter, just as ocean rock would be.
IF they want pods, sponges, coralline, etc., they use a piece of live rock to seed it.
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I believe the disagreement lies in how anaerobic is seeded or colonized. The following link states that it will not survive in oxygenated areas.

Difference Between Aerobic and Anaerobic Bacteria | Difference Between | Aerobic vs Anaerobic Bacteria

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again, old news.
I've known this for decades. Did you miss the part earlier when I said it takes 8-12 weeks if anaerobic bacteria is also considered?
you are reading something into my posts I didn't write or you are not understanding them.
I'll ask again, if you think I posted wrong information, please quote it and I will attempt a clearer explanation.
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Not at all. My point is that bacteria that lives in a low oxygen environment will not live in a high oxygen environment, correct? If so, you aren't seeding the new, dry rock with low oxygen bacteria, but none the less, it's there. The same goes for aerobic bacteria. It's already there. All it needs is food to grow to meet the bio load. No bottled bacteria or pre-cycled rock needs to be added and you'll still have all the beneficial bacteria you need in just a short time with the introduction of ammonia. People do it every day with BRS "reef saver" rock or similar. They don't want hitch hikers, so they use no live rock.
A month or so and it's a fully functional filter, just as ocean rock would be.
IF they want pods, sponges, coralline, etc., they use a piece of live rock to seed it.
Yeah, so what have I posted that makes you think I don't understand all of this or that represents it incorrectly?
I'm confused because you guys keep posting things that I have already said.

Maybe you guys should go back and actually read what I have posted.

As I said before, I have set-up tanks using every methodology around, and in real world testing of water parameters, seeding a system with the BB makes a considerable difference.


and as a side note, urine works great as an ammonia source, better than pure ammonia actually.
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If one wants to do it faster, doubling the initial number of bbs as long as you do it right the cycling will complete half the time. It's a very simple math.
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If one wants to do it faster, doubling the initial number of bbs as long as you do it right the cycling will complete half the time. It's a very simple math.
than why in the heck have you guys been giving me grief when that is essentially what I have been saying all along????????
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:If seeding with rock that has anaerobic bacteria colonies present within, why do you assume that they would not survive when being introduced to a new tank?
What MrX and I are saying is that the anaerobic bb has a low survivability to move from rock to rock when oxygen level is high in the column of water. Thus seeding for this bb is not gonna happen. I never said the word "wrong" but you did. I am only clarifying what I think is right.
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