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Old 02-04-2014, 12:01 AM   #2141
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In reality, I wonder how many takers they have? I need to check at our university, I bet they have a full water testing laboratory. Need to investigate if they will run some samples for me. I would love to have a printout of all the elements listed on their testing offer.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:13 AM   #2142
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I wanted to order one of those testing machines that hit the market end of last year. Very cutting edge. Performs like 24 tests or something (fresh & marine) and gives a readout of what your levels are along with advice on how to fix it. Helps sell products apparently (not the reason I wanted to get it just cuz it cuts your labor paying someone to test water & is probably more accurate). Costly machine to rent + they get $1 of each test. The machine is connected online & even orders the replacement regents automatically. Can't remember the name but it was pretty cool. Looks like a freestanding bank ATM.

Dary, corals look great! Glad to hear you've rescheduled your trip. Big island right?
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:17 AM   #2143
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I wanted to order one of those testing machines that hit the market end of last year. Very cutting edge. Performs like 24 tests or something (fresh & marine) and gives a readout of what your levels are along with advice on how to fix it. Helps sell products apparently (not the reason I wanted to get it just cuz it cuts your labor paying someone to test water & is probably more accurate). Costly machine to rent + they get $1 of each test. The machine is connected online & even orders the replacement regents automatically. Can't remember the name but it was pretty cool. Looks like a freestanding bank ATM.

Dary, corals look great! Glad to hear you've rescheduled your trip. Big island right?
I think you're referring to the Thrive water lab. Looks very interesting. Would love to see one first hand.

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Old 02-04-2014, 01:31 AM   #2144
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I think you're referring to the Thrive water lab. Looks very interesting. Would love to see one first hand. Sent from my SM-T217S using Aquarium Advice mobile app
Yeah that's it. I contacted then last year about putting one in my store. It was a $ deposit + $ a month lease + $1 from every test. You pick the cost per test though. Expensive to say the least but like I said before if you pay a guy x $ an hr to test water & he does 5 tests a day times the time it takes then its possible it does make the store money by 1, freeing up the employee from test time, 2, attracts customer on the new cool factor, & 3, it provides a printout with recommendations that promotes the sale of products to correct water issues. Makes me wonder tho if it pushes products that aren't really needed. Still it's impressive looking & I bet it does get foot traffic wanting to see & use it.
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Dary's tank!

I think almost anything you can do to drive traffic to your store is a good thing. If your population density is good enough, I would have this state of the art test as a draw. Where else would you go to get your water "really" tested? What you don't know will kill your coral. I see the ad now.

I would also make RO/DI a break even or even less to draw folks in. Dry goods is hard to make a living with, you will want to be selling systems, fish and corals, at least that's how I did it. With your knowledge and a differentiator like these, you'll stand out. And that's usually a good thing. You've gotta get them into the store to sell them anything, otherwise the basement and the Internet is the other option.

Thanks Dary, we end up robbing your thread. Your the most popular water cooler on this floor.
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Here's a company in my area that says they do most of the testing for free?
Certified Water Services - Fairless Hills, PA 19030 - Water Treatment, Water Softeners
Not hobby-based, but I imagine you could get a pretty good idea if something was amok.
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I think that the " thrive" water testing machine would be a super neat thing to have in a lfs,.. Even if it cost a couple of few bucks to have your water tested i think it would still be a bargain if they gave you a print out showing what you need to do to correct it,..I think a lot of people may be a little intimidated sometimes to bring in a sample of their own water to a lfs " expert" to have them test it, ..but using the machine is a non invasive situation which I think would actually make your customers feel a little more secure, and would probably sell more additives too.
On my adventures with hammers and bubble corals,.my hammers usually grow very well then suddenly they're just kinda fade away,..about two and a half years ago I bought a single headed frag which has now grown into about twenty five heads,..now it looks to be swiveling up somewhat and there's a head or two that s all but gone, ,that's my usual case scenario when it comes to growing them,.Makes one very Leary about buying anymore,...torches on the other hand grow like hell.
Doug has always changed out his salt mixes on a regular basis with the idea that if one mix is lacking some kind of mineral etc than hopefully the next mix will have that mineral and more., he is basically getting the best of all of them and creating a balance,... Using that same idea, a while back I started adding a small amount of kent essential elements weekly,,I ran out of that and haven't been using any for the last month or so ,...maybe there's something in there that those hammers needed that they were not getting enough of using just the regular water changes with the reef crystals ? Who knows but i did order another Bottle of the stuff yesterday :-/
Apparently , I'm not alone in this situation . Doug said he suddenly lost some corals and Greg has had a few issues too,...makes us really wonder what's going on inside them to make them do that,..Greg seems to be the scientist here and will keep fighting until he figures it out for all of us.
Yes,Keith I will be going to the big island ( leaving mar 25 ) can't wait to try out the new gopro at two step ! For those of you that have never had the opportunity to snorkel there it's a large black lava shelf that meets the water with many pinnacles reaching for the surface surrounded by very deep crystal clear water filled with a zillion large schools of tangs,triggers,angels ,moorish idols,parrot fish etc. ,... It can be a rather intimidating place to cruise around due to its depth ( 10-100+ feet ) but the fish life surrounding the pinnacles is mind boggling to say the least.
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Dary's tank!

9" of snow...I guess if I want to go diving it will be in the fish tank. My friends are going to Aruba. Dary is going to Hawaii. As I look at the snow piled up outside, I will try not to hate you all.

Your snorkel spot looks great.
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I had to plow last night, and again tonight. The guy I plow for said "be ready for about midnight". Nothing worse than that for me....I can't sleep early. I guess I'll be doing some sleeping in the truck

I emailed a company ( St. Louis Testing Laboratories ) about testing the water for the major elements, and they sent me back this-

Hello Doug

SLTL can test for most of the major ions listed for a cost of $300,

This would include an anion scan (chloride, fluoride, bromide, sulfate) and a cation scan (potassium, sodium, calcium, aluminum, iron, copper, lead,-- about 30 elements total ).

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I had to plow last night, and again tonight. The guy I plow for said "be ready for about midnight". Nothing worse than that for me....I can't sleep early. I guess I'll be doing some sleeping in the truck I emailed a company ( St. Louis Testing Laboratories ) about testing the water for the major elements, and they sent me back this- Hello Doug SLTL can test for most of the major ions listed for a cost of $300, This would include an anion scan (chloride, fluoride, bromide, sulfate) and a cation scan (potassium, sodium, calcium, aluminum, iron, copper, lead,-- about 30 elements total ). Thank You Rob Sinn St. Louis Testing Laboratories 2810 Clark Ave. Saint Louis, MO 63103 (314)531-8080 Ouch!
Yeah I'll just skip it and do a few water changes lol
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