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Old 04-28-2003, 08:42 PM   #11
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29 gallon saltwater tank. Mono Argentine Angel fish, Tomato Clownfish, High Fin Cardinal, Trigger Fish, Firefish, Scissors Gobi, Chocolate Chip Starfish.
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I still have 6 fish in the tank that have survived and are feeding regularly, I just don't know what happened to the other 4.

I didn't see anyone mention a lot of fish for a 29 gal tank. With feeding regularly, and the amount of fish, you must do a lot of water changes. with the size tank you have, I wouldn't have any more than 5 inches total of fish. This might be the cause of the readings never dimenishing. I haven't read anything yet, ( I am still searching) about CCS being fish eaters or killers. IMO, it sounds like the fish died because of stress...I might be wrong though...I am sorry for your loss...
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Thanks for the advice Tim. I think that I am going to transfer a few of those to another tank to give them all some more room. I change about 1 gallon every day when cleaning out the uneaten food in the evenings, and then do a 5 gallon water change once a week. You're right about them possibly dying because of stress, I jsut don't know why it would kill all 4 within the same 8 hour period when they had been doing well fo so long. I don't think that CCS are carnivores either. My old one jsut ate Algae tablets and the occasional freeze dried shrimp if placed under him. I never hear of them attacking such an active fish but I jsut don't know anymore. Going to wait and see if I lose anymore tonight. :|
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One thing I noticed was that the alk was kinda low @ 2.2 meq/l. If that's where it's been for a long time then I suppose that wouldn't have anything to do with it. I wonder if the alk has been creeping down over time? It might allow pH swings...especially at night. My alk usually stays at about 5.0-5.5 meq/l. I'm thinking that ammonia/nitrite should be 0 also. Although I don't know anything about CC stars, I do know that some stars are VERY sensitive to changes and require a long acclimation. I have read that CCS are not considered to be reef safe, but I can't remember where I read it . If you're having to siphon out uneaten food every day, it might be a combination of too much bio load and some overfeeding.
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Old 04-29-2003, 12:53 PM   #14
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Thank you all for your advice. I don't think I'll be having too many problems from now on. Unfortunately my trigger fish devoured the new CCS last night. Poor little thing was spread all over the tank. I guess the one I had last year was a little more hardy against the fish attacks. I am thoroughly discouraged at my attempt to keep a new invert and have decided to wait to get any more and set up a new bigger FO tank instead. Thanks for the help.
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I dont think this article will have any benifit really but I figured I would post it here anyway. It talks about toxicity in the aquarium.

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Old 04-29-2003, 08:38 PM   #16
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I wonder if the alk has been creeping down over time? It might allow pH swings...especially at night. My alk usually stays at about 5.0-5.5 meq/l. I'm thinking that ammonia/nitrite should be 0 also. If you're having to siphon out uneaten food every day, it might be a combination of too much bio load and some overfeeding.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. The fact that you need to do that much of a water change so often is a problem, IMO. In a mature, properly stocked tank, you really should not have measureable ammonia, and certainly not to the extent that it would be considered the 'normal' reading for the tank. I definitely think it is time to remove some of those fish, and get a new test kit which should be used regularly.

I do not believe the chocolate chip star had anything to do with the demise of these fish. To my knowledge, they are not able to secrete any poisons...and if they were, it would kill all of the fish in the tank (similar to sea cuke toxin). Though predatory (and certainly open to eating dead fish), they are not capable of bringing down so many healthy fish. I think you definitely need to look to water quality and overstocking as possible causes for this loss. Were there any marks on the fish at all?

I agree with the possibility of a pH drop, or other fluctuation that may have caused trouble. Did you do anything out of the ordinary with your water change? Stir up anything? Did you add anything other than the star the other night? Any other fish?

As you learned (the hard way I am afraid), seastars and triggerfish do not make good company. Triggerfish are a natural predator of seastars and brittlestars in the wild.

FWIW, these stars are not reef safe. In the wild, they are rather opportunistic, eating algal films, sponges, mollusks, etc. In tanks, they will often eat corals, anemones, snails, clams, dead fish, etc in addition to 'grazing' on LR. They do quite well in some FO tanks that house messy fish, which result in a lot of wasted food for the star to scavenge. Their braod diet make them relatively hardy and popular choices for hobbysists, but there is definitely a risk that they will eat something valuable. They are not the best tank mates for FO tanks with triggers, puffers and large wrasses (all of which are natural predators).
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I know that stars are not good with trigger fish, but I had a CCS in that same tank with that same trigger for 2 years and never had a problem. I have heard that they aren't reef safe. I just have some live rock and plants in there. The old star grazed on algae from the rocks all the time and when he was really hungry he would climb to the top of the tank and I would give him an algae tablet. There weren't any marks on the fish. The new star was eaten to pieces though. Anyway I have moved half of the remaining 6 to another tank to give them some more room. I'll have to wait and see if the eater levels get better.
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I to have had problems with CCS. Although they never ate any swimming fish they quickly devoured anything that they could get on top of. Snails especially (five or more in one day, once) Hermit crabs seemed to get away from them, but I had an anemone die and it was gone in a few hours.

I quickly took them to a pet store and gave them back. I wouldn't recommend them to any one.
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Thanks for the warning! I got one at the pet store tonight. I told them everything I have in my reef tank and they assured me that it would be compatible. I have lots of snails, live coral, and anemones — he would have had a feast in there over night.
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