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Old 07-04-2013, 11:41 AM   #51
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I PM'ed you. Didn't want to get too off topic.
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It only took me like 3 hrs. Started with 800-1000-1500-2000. The inside was kinda tricky but it got done. There are still some scratches in it but when there is water in it i think it will be fine. I seem a post with someone saying algae will get in the scratch and then you will see it more.
Nice man, thanks! The algae inside the scratch sounds legit. Great work
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Not bad. Thanks. I've read that several times too. Don't have an acrylic tank, but that does seem like a truthful downside.
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:21 PM   #54
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A lot of things companies sell for the reef aren't necessary, but they make them sound so important. Things are crazy expensive when most things can be DIY projects. I just saw a new product: A 6 ft LED fixture on marinedepot for over $4000! I don't see why people would go with such expensive lights unless they bathe in gold.
If I can interject, companies make a lot of products that are necessary for reefs. The thing is they are not always necessary for your water in your area. For example, Florida's tap water ( not from a well) is almost perfect for reefs. Just add salt. No need to add buffers and alkalinity cause it comes out hard and alkaline. Water up North, say in NJ, comes out of the tap Soft and acidic and needs changing to make it reef safe.
Sometimes stores have to buy a whole selection of products to get that brand's line of goods into their store even tho they don't need some of the product. (I know this from experience ) I liken it to plant seeds in my local Home Depot. They sell seeds for plants that can't survive south of VA. I am in Central FL so what are they doing here in my local store?

I could also tell you why light fixtures cost $4000.00 but that would be giving away trade secrets
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If I can interject, companies make a lot of products that are necessary for reefs. The thing is they are not always necessary for your water in your area. For example, Florida's tap water ( not from a well) is almost perfect for reefs. Just add salt. No need to add buffers and alkalinity cause it comes out hard and alkaline. Water up North, say in NJ, comes out of the tap Soft and acidic and needs changing to make it reef safe.
Sometimes stores have to buy a whole selection of products to get that brand's line of goods into their store even tho they don't need some of the product. (I know this from experience ) I liken it to plant seeds in my local Home Depot. They sell seeds for plants that can't survive south of VA. I am in Central FL so what are they doing here in my local store?

I could also tell you why light fixtures cost $4000.00 but that would be giving away trade secrets
That's true, they do make quality products that are necessary. I wouldn't recommend using tap water for sw b/c of the dissolved metals, not whether the KH and calcium levels are good or not. There's got to be a substantial difference besides design that would make someone buy a $4000 fixture opposed to several $600 led fixtures, or $300 or $100. Quality shouldn't have to come at such a high price.
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That's true, they do make quality products that are necessary. I wouldn't recommend using tap water for sw b/c of the dissolved metals, not whether the KH and calcium levels are good or not. There's got to be a substantial difference besides design that would make someone buy a $4000 fixture opposed to several $600 led fixtures, or $300 or $100. Quality shouldn't have to come at such a high price.

That's just my point, not all tap water in all areas of the country have dissolved metals that make it unusable in a reef tank. (I was just using the KH and PH as an example not as a specific.) But I think you get my point
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That's just my point, not all tap water in all areas of the country have dissolved metals that make it unusable in a reef tank. (I was just using the KH and PH as an example not as a specific.) But I think you get my point
Ideally, a TDS reading of 0 is best. That's why so many people use RO/DI systems. Tap water never has a reading of that. There's always a risk of using direct tap water if it has traces of copper or other metals. Tap water works, but can cause problems, especially in the long run. I'm arguing too much though. Sorry. We're close enough on our opinions.
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I like to know what's going into my tank and even with water changes, evaporation can concentrate the materials in the tap water. Remembering that a trace of copper from a qt tank can nuke a reef, those copper pipes my tap water flows thru concerns me. You would never use any metal fittings on your system, so not using tap water is a sound decision.
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I like big tanks, period! Some of the tanks you mentioned have to be built in place. Concrete, and wood, depending on the size (I don't think anyone is going to make a wood 30 breeder...lol). I wanted a tank that I could keep fish until they were full grown in. I haven't been able to accomplish this and even this 300 is quite limited. I believe my 5" vlamingi tang has already outgrown this tank.
It seems he really wants to take off and as soon as he get's going, he's got to turn around...

HOW TO: Build A Large Aquarium 1/6 - YouTube

here you got, half plywood half glass and big enough for your needs :P

i actually like uarujoeys DIY channel, some of the stuff i would never use but still like watching how creative the DIY world can actually be
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I like to know what's going into my tank and even with water changes, evaporation can concentrate the materials in the tap water. Remembering that a trace of copper from a qt tank can nuke a reef, those copper pipes my tap water flows thru concerns me. You would never use any metal fittings on your system, so not using tap water is a sound decision.

The point of my comment was to show that not all water is the same. Here in FL we have houses with all pvc plumbing so copper piping is not an issue. But again, the comment was directed at the differences in water from different places and why there are so many different items on the market that many of the reef keepers might or might not need NOT that I was advocating the use of tap over RO/DI water or vice versa.
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