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Old 03-23-2006, 07:05 AM   #1
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I had spoke to my lfs yesterday and wanted to find out how much rubble lr I would need in my fluval filter, to sustain a 29gl tank since I am planning on adding corals and the told me that I would have to get rid of my fluval filter????? is this true or can I keep my filter with corals???
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You probably could keep it but it`s not needed. LR and skimmer are the main ingredients.IMO
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I also agree that it’s not needed if you have enough lr ie: 1.5-2 lbs per gal.

If you keep it empty and clean it frequently to keep your no3 below 5 ppm then using it for water circulation and occasionally for gac filtering would be fine.

Adding a skimmer to the mix will greatly help in keeping your no3 low as well.
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Ok I have a skimmer on this tank but I am not getting any type of dry foam in the collection cup at all, this tank has been setup for a month now with the following:

20lbs of ls
19 lbs of lr
1 rio 220 powerhead
1 pengiun 500? powerhead, this was just add to the tank yesterday
1 skimmer
and of course the fluval
lighting just a standard petsmart light sitting on glass that is just wide enough for the lights ( which i know that if I am going to have coral I will need better lighting).
Stock:
about 15 red legged hermitts
1 turbo snail
2 other types of snails
No fish at this time waiting on the lfs to get in a citron gobby and some neon gobbies.
but could any let me know if there is something missing or do I have everthing correct so far.

I have not had any spikes in this tank since day one, currently I do not have any alge growing any where. Just seen the first feather duster on one of the lr last night.
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Do you use any chemical additives like stress coat to your tank? They have an adverse effect on skimmers. Have you been running your skimmer for a month also? Do you get wet skimmate? Did you do a fishless cycle or use the lr to cycle your tank?

Stock list looks great. Personally I’d add about 5-10 more Nassarius snails to stir up the sand and a Banded Coral Shrimp is always fun to watch and is reef safe
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No I have not used stress coat, the only thing I had used was a ph buffer to try to bring up my ph levels to 8.2, unless my test kit is bad which I plan on going and getting a new one today after work and retesting my ph levels.

As for running the skimmer I have had it started every since I had set up the tank.

Dumb ??? what is skimmate.

Well since I will be at the lfs today I will go ahead and pick up, or should I wait until I can test my ph levels?
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skimmate is just the junk that collects at the top from the foaming action. If you are getting wet skimmate then you may just need to adjust your skimmer slightly.

Buffers have little effect on skimmate. What do you keep your sg at? Do you have aragonite sand? Have you tested your ph in the morning and night? It’s higher at night just before you turn the lights out and lower in the morning.

If it’s in the 8.0 to 8.4 range I wouldn’t add buffers, it’s more important to keep a steady ph then it is to keep a high one. Also I’d keep you sg closer to 1.025 for a reef setup.

When adding stock if you do have your sg that high then I’d drip acclimate them for 3+ hours to adjust to the sg/ph of your tank.
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I just tested my tank again and here is the results:
PH = 8.00 using the nutrafin test by hagen
KH/ALK = 2.86 using the salifert test
Nitrite = 0 using the pharmisutical test
NO3 (ammonia) = 0 using the pharmisutical test
SG = 1.022 using the deep six meter
water temp = 76 deg.

yes I did use the aragonit sand that came in a bag with water. the lr was cured by the lfs that I had purchased the rock from. as for the skimmer I am using the berlin skimmer and I have the bubbles going up the small tube set at about looks to be about 1/2" apart and the stone I have opened all the way.
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I never had one of those skimmers so correct me if Im wrong.. Should it be on the outside of the tank?.
I know some skimmer won't work correctly if submerged in the water, not sure if this is one of them..
Don't they need a PH on them also??
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8.0 is fine for ph. It would rise slightly if your sg was closer to 1.025 but your current sg is fine. Any increases in sg should be done slowly over a couple of weeks time.

The skimmer will work with an air stone but as seaham358 said being inside the tank seems off. It also appears to be too high which could explain why you are not getting any skimmate. Can it be mounted on the outside? If you could get the collection cup closer to water level you should have better results.

I’m not sure how the air stone would pull in water though if mounted on the outside. Typically skimmers use a ph to both move water into and out of the skimmer and add bubbles through the use of a needle wheel or regular venturi air hose.
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