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Old 09-29-2013, 03:17 PM   #1
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HoB filter or HOB Refugium

I have a 45 gallon fish only, for now. I have a penguin Bio-wheel 350 filter on it now and 35 lbs of live rock and 40 lbs of live sand, no skimmer yet. Was thinking of putting a HOB refugium instead of the filter. Which would work better? Or should I keep both?
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I suggest you get the skimmer first. It contributes a lot. In the cleaning of the water. A refugium helps too but you should get a skimmer first. As for as refugiums go, a HOB refugium is better. I'll be getting a CPR Aquafuge (medium size) on my 45 gallon soon.
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Get rid of the HOB filter? Just a skimmer
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:57 PM   #4
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Get rid of the HOB filter? Just a skimmer
you can use the hob filter but only run carbon in it but in my opinion your life will be made easier with a skimmer
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The mentioned CPR AquaFuge also has a PS version with built in Protien Skimmer. I have one and loved it before my upgrade.
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For a refugium you have to be realistic about your expectations. A HOB refugium is tiny, doesn't hold squat for water, and has no room to grow macros. It's really an exercise in futility if you are looking for something to help your water parameters.
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For a refugium you have to be realistic about your expectations. A HOB refugium is tiny, doesn't hold squat for water, and has no room to grow macros. It's really an exercise in futility if you are looking for something to help your water parameters.
WRONG ! ! ! I'm just saying.

For a 45 gal tank, of course bigger is better. A sump would be preferred, but if you can only go HOB, a refugium does work. I say this because I had one. Is a 5 gal refugium a giant, no, but it is better than nothing and the chaeto grew very well for me. a simple clip on CFL lamp over the fuge worked wonders for my nitrites. I was getting up around 80ppm nitrates with a HOB filter with nitrate resin pads, all to no avail. I removed the filter when my CPR Aquafuge PS (large) arrived, and it quickly took care of all my nitrate issues.

It holds more than squat for water (5 gals)
It WILL grow macro (very well too)
It was an efffective method to remove nutrients in a sumpless setup.
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WRONG ! ! ! I'm just saying.

For a 45 gal tank, of course bigger is better. A sump would be preferred, but if you can only go HOB, a refugium does work. I say this because I had one. Is a 5 gal refugium a giant, no, but it is better than nothing and the chaeto grew very well for me. a simple clip on CFL lamp over the fuge worked wonders for my nitrites. I was getting up around 80ppm nitrates with a HOB filter with nitrate resin pads, all to no avail. I removed the filter when my CPR Aquafuge PS (large) arrived, and it quickly took care of all my nitrate issues.

It holds more than squat for water (5 gals)
It WILL grow macro (very well too)
It was an efffective method to remove nutrients in a sumpless setup.
So you added a protein skimmer and got a reduction in nitrates? Yes that is DEFINITELY because of the macro algae with the clip on light in the refuge.

I am going to leave this here, take a look at the video it is enlightening about refugiums.

Refugiums in a Saltwater Tank: Viable Nutrient Control or Just a Safe Harbor?
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The macro algae grew increadibly fast. It filled a large part of the refugium section in no time at all. I was cutting it and throwing it away which meant it was exporting the nutrients the skimmer missed.
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The macro algae grew increadibly fast. It filled a large part of the refugium section in no time at all. I was cutting it and throwing it away which meant it was exporting the nutrients the skimmer missed.
I agree I ran two penguin 400 and a 150 skimmer. When I added the fuge nitrates went to zero. Hob filters are fine if you clean it regular. There are articles about fuges. I read lots of them good and bad,good out ways them. All my lfs run fuge, I would stay away from a sand bed in them. Easier to clean and stays clean.hob would be beneficial for your tank.
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