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Old 12-29-2013, 12:43 PM   #1
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I need a refugium and have no idea what to get!

Hello, My name is Chris, i am newish to the hobby. I am losing coral and cant get my tank to settle. I have a 55 gallon cube style tank, i have had it going for almost a year, my fish are fine but i cant keep coral alive.... I really need help, I am looking to get a refugium going, I have a 10 gallon tank that i bought with the intent of turning it into a refugium for my 55 gallon tank. After reading all the info on the web about Refugiums i am completely lost lol. I Like the Aquafuge 2 HOB filter but dont have room for it... that being said will the 10 Gallon work as well as the HOB? How do you keep them form overflowing when the power goes out? also what do i put into the refugium for a reef/fish tank? I have a bio-wheel HOB filter, Fluval canister, Two 400GPH maxijet PH's and a protein skimmer. what do i keep and what do i get rid of when the refugium is up and running? Also, should i have carbon filters or not? My understanding is that carbon is bad for Saltwater/coral because they don't discriminate between chemicals, so they take out chemicals you need to keep, is this true?

I need help ASAP! I am losing coral!

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in Advance!
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:52 PM   #2
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If you go with a 10g tank as a refugium then you are going to need to get the water to the tank and will need a hang on back overflow. I would stick to a hang on type, maybe look at the smaller ones? You just need to keep some live rock rubble and macro algae in it.

What are your water parameters? That can go a long way to helping solve your coral issues. Ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, phosphates, calcium. magnesium and alkalinity would be the numbers we will need. Also what type of lighting? And finally what are the corals in question you are having trouble with?
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Thanks for the quick response Carey! I am not sure the water parameters as of this minute. I have to do maintenance today and part of that is water testing. I will let you know asap. Also i have a 150W metal halide and two actinic t5's on the tank now. its an odysea fixture. the coral i have lost so far are polyps and a flame torch. My leather is hanging in there but i think he is going to die soon if i dont do something! What do you think about the Aquafuge 2? what size HOB do i need for my tank?
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While a 150w halide isnt that bright really, especially in a deep tank the corals you mentioned dont need excessive amounts, so I would say as of now, that lighting isnt your issue. It usually is the first thing that isnt up to par and can explain corals not doing their best.
As far as a fuge, you want the biggest you can logically fit. The more space the better. BUT I will say this, I know alot of people, ALOT swear by them but in my couple years of reefing I have not noticed any benefits to my tanks. It's your choice to give it a try if you like, and hey, it may turn out it will work for you but for me I havent had any luck. I took the refugium space in my sump and got a bigger skimmer. lol Which reminds me, are you running a skimmer? And how often are you changing the water and how much? I suspect the water parameters might be at play here. Corals can be finicky, even the easy ones on occassion. But when we see your water test results we'll have a much better picture.
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Yeah i have a Skimmer. I do not think it is doing its job though. no bubbles coming up to the cup at the top... I will post the parameters asap. I am getting ready to head down to the LFS to pick up an overflow box and a return pump for the ten gallon i mentioned earlier. the HOB is only 2.5 gallons..... That isnt enough is it? also how do i know what size overflow and return pump so they match up? or is that a trial by error kind of thing?
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While a 150w halide isnt that bright really, especially in a deep tank the corals you mentioned dont need excessive amounts, so I would say as of now, that lighting isnt your issue. It usually is the first thing that isnt up to par and can explain corals not doing their best.
As far as a fuge, you want the biggest you can logically fit. The more space the better. BUT I will say this, I know alot of people, ALOT swear by them but in my couple years of reefing I have not noticed any benefits to my tanks. It's your choice to give it a try if you like, and hey, it may turn out it will work for you but for me I havent had any luck. I took the refugium space in my sump and got a bigger skimmer. lol Which reminds me, are you running a skimmer? And how often are you changing the water and how much? I suspect the water parameters might be at play here. Corals can be finicky, even the easy ones on occassion. But when we see your water test results we'll have a much better picture.
I agree with Carey. If you aren't running a skimmer that would be my bet as to why the corals are going downhill. A fuge is not really going to fix your issue IMO. What is your fish stock as well? If you could list water parameters like ammonia,trites, trates, pH, calcium, alkalinity and magnesium that would help too. You aren't dosing correct?
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Yeah i have a Skimmer. I do not think it is doing its job though. no bubbles coming up to the cup at the top... I will post the parameters asap. I am getting ready to head down to the LFS to pick up an overflow box and a return pump for the ten gallon i mentioned earlier. the HOB is only 2.5 gallons..... That isnt enough is it? also how do i know what size overflow and return pump so they match up? or is that a trial by error kind of thing?
Lol I posted at the exact same time you did. Letting us know those parameters will be the best way to deduce the problem.
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I would say a 2.5g refuge isnt worth it, just not enough area to put stuff into.

If you get an overflow rated for 600gph then you want like a 750gph or maybe even a 900gph return pump. You have to account for the pressure the water has to travel to get back to the tank so you lose some gph depending on how far it is going. If you are going to a overflow setup then you are ditching the canister and going with a sump? This would be the time to do it. AND I just was on petco's website and they are doing their $1 a gallon sale on tank tight now!! You could get a 29g tank for less than $30 and that would be a great addition to your setup. As long as it would fit under your tank. lol
A 40g would be the best but I doubt you have the back to front space needed for one. :-(
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That trigger could be the problem
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