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Old 07-09-2007, 07:32 AM   #1
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i think i have too many fish?

i started up a 120g tank with around 150 lb fiji & tonga branch.
a 300 g wet dry ,a g3 asm skimmer, 2x 150 watt 14k hqi. etc.

i have the usual corals ,
hammers frogspawns,torchs,rhodactise's,zoos,cinnamon polyps,brain,lots of diff. colored mushrooms,toadstool,colts,fingers,yumas etc. .plus i have a infinity overflow that covers the whole back of tank w/ a central overflow ,in the overflow area that gets light ,i have alot of chaetomorpha in it.

the big question is the fish, i have good acces to fish so i went with a variety of sorts ,it seems they have alot of room.
the tank looks awesome and it is really busy.
the fish in qustion are as follows:
5 tangs-purple,yellow,scopas,yellow belly hippo,kole tang all mediums.
7-green chromis smalls
7-wrasses-blue head,harlequin tusk australia,formossa,yellow coris,lubbocks,lunare,mystery.
3- banggai cards
1- fiji puffer sm.
2 diamond goby xsm
1- bullet goby
1- chalk bass
1-coral beauty
1-flame angel
1-mozambique blenny
1-longnose butterfly sm
1 med maxima clam
2- flame scallops
10- emerald crabs
1-fire shrimp.
snails and so forth

i know a couple fish are not that reef friendly ,but i like them.
i just wanted a few opinions on it.
im also considerig a hob refugium ,any ideas on size or brands .
any help is greatly appeciated.

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Old 07-09-2007, 09:48 AM   #2
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For one, definately have too many fish. I think the norm here is 1 inch per 10 gallons? Second I tried the Fiji Puffer and it nipped at my snails and zoos. Third the butterfly has to go (IMO). For HOB's i would go with the AquaC Remora Pro. Also, i think you have way too many Tangs.
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Old 07-09-2007, 10:38 AM   #3
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I have to ask... Is this a joke??? 31 fish in a 120... A HOB fuge is not gonna help you need to lose alot of fish.. What are your water parameters with that many fish? Post a pic of this..
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I agree, not trying to be rude, but that was my first thought, "is this a joke"?
How long have you had your tank up and running?
I am also interested in what your water parameters are and I would definitely love to see a pic.
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Wow thats alot of fish.

I've heard lots if diff so call rules of thumb for fish.
1" per 10 gals
1" per 5 gals
1" per 2 gals
1 physh per 10gal
1 fysh per 5 gals and so on.

After reading and asking quesions I (IMO) think its more about being relistic

Yes you have to many fish.
Yes it prob does look cool but the bio load has to be over whelming and as soon as those fish reach full size there wont be alot of room for anyone.

If I understand things correctly
Larger fish = larger bio load which = less fish.
Smaller fish = smaller bio load which = more fish. (with in reason)
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:28 PM   #6
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1 inch per 10 gallons is pretty light load...

1 inch per 5 gallons is still rather light but thats what most people agree on. A nice amount of fitches to look at without turning your tank into a dookie-factory.

Ive read in marine aquarium books that with LR you can go as far as 1 inch per 2 gallons, but I just dont see how thats possible without forcing yourself into a position where your constantly doing maintenance just to keep up (aka no fun and not worth it imo)

As the others have asked, post some water parameters, we are all curious. a photo our two would be nice too
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Re: i think i have too many fish?

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i know a couple fish are not that reef friendly ,but i like them.
i just wanted a few opinions on it.
Well you did ask for opinions. This statement here really does show a lack of care for the inhabitants of your tank. Your commitment to your tank is really lacking if this is how you think. Not trying to be bad or mean but you need to do what needs to be done then to put your fish and corals in harms way. Yes your tank is way over stocked . I really see a big crash coming down the road. I saw a 2000 gallon tank at my LFS the other day and he did not even have this many fish in it. Hopefully you`ll be making the switch to practicing responsible SW practices in the future.
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Old 07-09-2007, 02:50 PM   #8
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5 tangs-purple,yellow,scopas,yellow belly hippo,kole tang all mediums.
7-green chromis smalls
7-wrasses-blue head,harlequin tusk australia,formossa,yellow coris,lubbocks,lunare,mystery.
3- banggai cards
1- fiji puffer sm.
2 diamond goby xsm
1- bullet goby
1- chalk bass
1-coral beauty
1-flame angel
1-mozambique blenny
1-longnose butterfly sm
1 med maxima clam
2- flame scallops
10- emerald crabs
1-fire shrimp.
snails and so forth

i know a couple fish are not that reef friendly ,but i like them.
i just wanted a few opinions on it.
im also considerig a hob refugium ,any ideas on size or brands .
any help is greatly appeciated.

WOW...that is A LOT of fish. I have a bad feeling you and your tank are heading for major trouble. Very poor choice in amounts and type of livestock.
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pics of tank you wanted

all these fish are small. i don't know what everyone is crying about.
tanks been running for 2 months already.
sg .024
nitrates are a little high
ammonia 0
nitrites 0
phosphates 0
ph 8.3
i do weekly water changes and like doing it + i have a 55 reef with excellent parameters i wont even tell you how many fish i have for fear of getting yelled at ha ha.a 14 g nano in my room thats perfect not to mention i also have a 20 g seahorse / pipefish for two years already w/ not one death.
secret is water changes ,i use tropic marin and test frequently

thanks for your input
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When I first started, every LFS and every book I read said 1" per 2 gallons. I trusted that rule, so I started off with the idea that I could do almost 40" of fish in a 75G tank. Of course after online research, I learned that's not the case, but not everybody reads AA or RC before getting into the hobby. Right?

If you're willing to do weekly PWC's, and have a LOT of filtration, and a big sump (at least as big as the display), you can get by with fish beyond the 1" per 10G guideline. IMHO.

But beyond the water quality issue, I'd be surprised if all those fish are very happy, in such crowded corners. SW need room to move - that many in a tank that size could lead to some real stressful fish, especially when they start growing.

2 months in a marine aquarium is just a blip in time. It can take months and months for problems to show up. Your ammonia, trites and trates might be under control, but sooner or later you'll start seeing uncontrollable algae breakouts, cyano/slime, poor health, etc.

It might look cool, but I have to agree with the comments above, that you should a) return some fish to the LFS, or B) get a bigger tank.

/my two cents worth. don't get discouraged.
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