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Old 03-17-2014, 01:10 AM   #11
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And theres no other way to do this than to put the fish in a qt with a copper based treatment?
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:15 AM   #12
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Ugh, one more time, there are only 3 known proven treatments of MI. And ALL must be done in a qt. 1.Copper, instructions must be followed to a T, MUST be done in QT, very hard on the fish, 2.Hypo, to be done correctly it needs to be done with a refractometer, swing arms are to inaccurate and inconsistent, must be down in a qt, may take 4-8 weeks, and a lesser use transfer method, uses a ton of salt rodi and labor. Also DT will need to be fallow (fish less) for 8-10 weeks for MI to die off without a host (fish) to keep it multiplying. There are NO reef safe meds, ick out, ick cure, ick rid or any of the other snake oils out there. Ick outbreaks are caused by stress. Also do not do copper and hypo at the same time.
Fish get ich from stress, too small of a tank, too many fish, incompatable tank mates. Or bad unstable parameters. I personally don't qt or am sure I believe in it. I have 3 tangs all from different sources and have never had to deal with it, is it luck or a stress free tank, really hard to tell. Unless you are goingbto qt EVERYTHING, fish, corals, lr, or anything wet, then you are not going to keep it out of your tank. Just remember there are NO safe reef ich meds,:

I don't think I could sum it up any better than Holygral did
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I disagree with the belief that Garlic Xtreme is just an appetizer. It is a vitamin C and it boosts the immune system of fish. I have applied this to my tank when I had an ich outbreak an it worked. However, it depends on how bad the outbreak is. It has to be combined with reducing the stress of fish in the tank. I did not fallow my tank but I was successful to eradicate it.
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I disagree with the belief that Garlic Xtreme is just an appetizer. It is a vitamin C and it boosts the immune system of fish. I have applied this to my tank when I had an ich outbreak an it worked. However, it depends on how bad the outbreak is. It has to be combined with reducing the stress of fish in the tank. I did not fallow my tank but I was successful to eradicate it.
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Not all articles your read anywhere including the internet are true. With regards to the ich, even if there is no scientific evedince I have already proven it to myself. The author himself just repeated everything what he reads. It is a common knowledge that garlic is a herbal medicine and being consumed by people to heal ailments. I gathered the facts myself through experience and not just by reading.
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I've always felt that if the end goal is to irradicate Ich, you go with copper or Hypo in QT and leave your tank fallow. Those have been scientifically proven to kill the parasite. Big money has been spent proving that time and time again.

That being said, fish can overcome Ich in the right conditions. Proper diet, stress free surroundings, etc. That does not necessarily rid the environment of Ich, so you run the risk of it popping back up when new fish are added.

If I had an established tank that was fully stocked, I would probably go with the "let them get over it" choice , but with new tanks, it is best, IMO, to QT prior to adding fish and keep things like Ich out from the start.

I'm not sure I buy into "garlic is a medicine"...it stimulates appetite and boosts immunity, but I have seen nothing scientific to show it actually kills anything. I'm not against using it, as it definitely has positive effects.
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I am not saying that Garlic works all the time but it worked for me. We know that stress on fish is the main factor of an ich outbreak. An ich may be present in a tank but may not penetrate if none of the fish is weak and if their immune system are at work. We also know that ich will not survive for 6 weeks without a host. Keeping fish healthy with good immune system means disallowing ich to have a host. Garlic may not be a medicime but it boosts the immune system. Prolonging the ich to starvation for 6 weeks is an indirect way of killing the parasites. But please dont get me wrong. I never claimed that copper is not effective. I am only responding to the OP question about any other ways without having to fallow the tank.
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