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Old 01-04-2003, 12:49 PM   #11
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Sorry, medical background taking over I guess. WNL is within normal limits.
The owner said she just compares the colors of the liquid tests to a paper she has for normal and that she would have to do the tests all over again to get exact results. Didn't sound to happy about my prying.
The actinic burned out after this started to happen.
I used to feed twice a day, Flake in the mourning and then anything from brine shrimp to the expensive mixes they have of frozen foods in the evening. I feed my starfish a sinking pellet of somekind once a week. After the slime started to grow I cut this down to only once a day. Poor fish. This hasn't seemed to help, only to make really hungary fish.
Thanks for the web addresses. I guess I am just a tight wad and think I am saving money to drive 300 miles to buy what I need. The more i deal with the LFS the more I see I need to just move on and find a better way of getting things done. I will try to post some pictures. I can get the camera about 11:00 a.m. and then just have to figure out how to post them.
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Old 01-04-2003, 03:06 PM   #12
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Old 01-04-2003, 03:11 PM   #13
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Cant figure out how to post pictures. Sorry!
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Old 01-04-2003, 03:20 PM   #14
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Hi wildflower525300,

To post pictures;
1> Type the message body, as you would during a regular reply.
2> Then, in the "Add an Attachment section", Click [Browse] and select the filename of your picture.
3> Click [Add Attachment]
4> Your image will appear in the "Posted Attachments"section..
5> Repeat steps 2 through 4, until all the images are attached.

I hope this helps.
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Old 01-04-2003, 03:58 PM   #15
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Thanks, I will try again.
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Old 01-04-2003, 05:12 PM   #16
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In the first pic what is that off to the left? Do you have a bubble curten or an air stone in the tank? Thats what it looks like.

Yep its cyano. Excess nutruents and low water movement are two main culprits of this.

My 80 gal tank was littered with this junk soon after I added some slightly uncured live rock. The live rock was producing just enough ammonia and other nutruents to fuel the cyano growth. Over a period of 6-8 weeks I had this UGLY growth on my tank. Then as the rock finished its curing process and was releaseing less and less nutrients the cyano started to receed. It is now gone.

You say you feed brine. Is this frozen or live? You also say you feed frozen prepaired foods. I suspect that would be one of the sources for the phosphates.

Feeding your fish once a day will not hurt them. It sounds like you was also feeding to much. (dont feel bad this is common)

Feed sparigingly. Maybe even skipping a day here and there.

Know that in the wild the fish do not know when the next meal is so they will attack each and every meal as if its their last.

On a second note.

You can link images using the [img] tag. If you have a place on the net you can upload your images you can use this. in fact we want people to link images as much as possible as it will not use up our storage space. If you have no method of linking your image to your own web host then you can attach images like you have.

Either way thanks for the photos and trust me your tank is not LOST.
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Old 01-04-2003, 05:46 PM   #17
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The bubbles are coming from a wooden air 'stone'. I know that is weird to do in a salt water tank but I love watching the bubbles rise in the water and figure it might help with dissolved oxygen in the water a little as well.
I feed frozen brine. I haven't bought the expensive mixed combos they have for the carnivore fish for a while. I use the frozen brine, break off a little piece and let it thaw out on a paper towel to get rid of the 'juice' that is left when thawed, then give about 30 brine that the fish eat. I might overfeed the flake but I never see any drifting around the tank after about 5 minutes after feeding. I guess I better be more careful with this.
So do you think I should get rid of the UGF? Add another powerhead? Is the Berlin the way to go? I am probably getting annoying but I need some options please?!? Thanks for your help.
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Old 01-04-2003, 09:02 PM   #18
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low water movement are two main culprits of this.
only thing with this is that I am seeing cyano on the outflows of my Fluvals! Plenty of water movement there, also, I have so much current in the tank that the sand makes drifts, and guess what is on the top???

I am getting rather frustrated seeing this each evening...but I just keep cleaning and waiting it out, it sure does not seem to be hurting anything..just ugly
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your suffering from the other main reason for cyano. And that is excess nutruents.

When I had my cyano outbreak on the 80 I had a 1200GPH pump plus three MaxiJet 1200's (rated at 295GPH each) in the tank and still had cyano.

I had it prior to adding the three PH's and hoped that would help. It did help to some degree as it did not allow it to collect/grow on rocks and the substrate where the current was the most powerful.

Having high flow is not a guranitee you wont have it.

But having low flow will definatly not help maters.
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What appears as cyanobacteria hanging in high flow areas like powerhead outlets is probably dinoflagelates. It is also a pest and fueled by excess nutrients. It's common name is snot algae.

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