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Old 05-31-2005, 11:23 PM   #11
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Here's my other question about QT...

Theory is there is always ich in your tank. So I introduce this new angel without QT and for four days things are going gorgeously, from eating to behavior, etc.

Today he's covered in ich.

Did he have it and it "broke out" after arrival? Did he arrive healthy and succumb to it in this tank? Would he have succumbed in the QT tank or not until after his QT period and then placement in the potentially ich-ridden main tank?

I guess I'm trying to understand all the ins and outs of this... not doubting the wisdom of QT at all - just trying to figure out how this menace works.

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Old 05-31-2005, 11:24 PM   #12
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Sorry Aaron--I can feel your pain. It's frustrating.
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Old 05-31-2005, 11:33 PM   #13
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Ok - some pictures - last night and tonight.

I think you can figure out which is which.

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Old 05-31-2005, 11:53 PM   #14
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Get some ruby reef's kick ich. Don't follow the dosage though, treat every other day. I have used it twice and been sucessful both times. HTH
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:06 AM   #15
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Here is a gallery of detailed shots and quite a few of our cleaning shrimp working overtime on the Imp.

http://sparhawk.sbc.edu/tank/ich

I'd so prefer to NOT be getting this picture taking opportunity...

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P.S. I've attached a sample photo or two and will post this in a separate thread for those not following this one that might want to see cleaning shrimp and ich up close.
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:11 AM   #16
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Man Aaron this stinks. Sorry for the ich out break.

As far as the qt is concerned, it will really do no good to qt him unless you qt all your fish and leave your main fishless for 6 weeks or more. Here is what I would do depending on your bio-load:

Go to wally world and get a 30g rubbermaid tub, you know the somewhat clear ones, and set it up. It will be just as cheap as a 10g and be alot better on the fish. Mix up 30g of salt water tonight. Tomorrow evening put 15g into the new qt, and take out 15g from the main. Add the exsisting freshly mixed sw to the main. You are not going to be able to cycle the qt, but if you have a sponge or something from the main or maybe even some bioballs you could seed the qt. Put you in a heater, a nice hob filter with just a sponge in the back, no media, a PH, and cupramine and start your qt journey. This is what I have done. You will need to use a decent light towards the end of treatment to really get down and check the fish. You will also need a Seachem copper test as well. Your only other option will be to use hypo, but youll need a refractometer.

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Also dont forget to pick up some different size PVC fittings for the fish to hide while in qt.
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Lovely.

Thanks for the detailed advice, revhtree... I'll try and get started on this or the closest approximation I can pull off.

Just when it was getting good...
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I am not at all experienced with ich. However, if you have cleaners and the fish is eating, I would be tempted to ride it out. Tossing a new fish already obviously stressed into some rubbermaid container full of fresh salt water just seems to go against common sense. Alk/Ph/Salinity/Temp all would have to be right on. Honestly if it were me (I know, its not..) I would give him a couple days. If it gets worse, surely pull it out if not only for the sake of the other fish. I would'nt take the hand feeding as a sign of smooth acclimation. I would call it one hungry/desperate to eat fish. I have had my tang for about a year and it will just now take seaweed from the feeder in my hand. I would consider lights out for a couple days and feed as needed. Just keep an eye on the illness that it doesn't get much worse. My advice for what its worth and no matter what you decide, best of luck.

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This brings me back to my questions about ich in general. If it always lives in my tank and none of my other fish have it, does the fact that a fish comes down with it mean they all will? The theory is his immune system is weakened but the others are not.

It there any level of immunity fish develop from prior cases?

Is it that a fish succumbing increases the level of attack they are resisting normally and that starts a domino effect?

This hobby can sure make one paranoid.

Also, is the cleaner shrimp picking off the actual parasites when he's working?

I sure hope he's not a desperately hungry fish. He's had a few inches of seaweed in the tank for two out of the four days (eaten entirely), does lots of picking among the rocks and has eaten well during the feedings. To add to the paranoia, how does one draw a line between underfeeding and overfeeding?

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