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Old 12-10-2013, 08:54 PM   #1
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Kaudern's cardinal fish died

Both of my cardinals died today, water is perfect according to my lfs. Have a 90 gallon tank with 2 clowns, yellow tang, and tiger striped sea star, snails and hermits.
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Old 12-10-2013, 08:56 PM   #2
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Do you know what your readings are? Is it a new set up or are the fish recent additions?
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They were added on Friday same time the yellow tang and sea star were added, it's been running for about a month now. My dealer won't sell fish without a water sample, took another sample to him today after I found them floating and he said the water is perfect. Been feeding only flake food and haven't seen them eat at all. I'm new to saltwater reef aquariums, had fresh water for many years and didn't think it was unusual not to see them eat.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:32 PM   #4
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I would definitely suggest buying a test kit and testing your own water. My cardinals eat anything but I would suggest a frozen food, mysis or brine shrimp to get them going...
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How did you add them? Might of had a spike as your tank is still new and you added quite a lot at same time.
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:22 PM   #6
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How did you add them? Might of had a spike as your tank is still new and you added quite a lot at same time.
Let them float for 15 minutes and put them in, none of the water from the bag went into my tank, my lfs advised against drip acclimation method. Yellow tang, clowns and serpent sea star were all added the same way with no stress at all.
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Don't even think 15 mins would match the temp. Did you not add water from your tank to the bag, did you ask why he's against the drip method as never heard that before. Maybe the shock of big change killed them?
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:46 PM   #8
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He says that the fish build up a lot of toxins in the bag and it's best to get the fish out of it as soon as possible, not to quarantine because then you're shocking your fish twice.
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:18 PM   #9
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Wow...that is terrible advice from the LFS. Maybe the worst I have ever heard. Let me guess... They don't refund anything for dead fish? A fish or two in a bag for a couple hours should not create any harmfully toxic environment. They came overseas in small bags with many fish and sat for hours on docks, planes, etc. Not drip acclimating forces your fish to adjust immediately to different parameters (pH, salinity, etc) and that causes stress. Not using QT means you are putting fish into your display that could have Ich, Velvet, etc. One sick fish could wipe out your entire tank. It is Russian roulette...eventually you get a bullet. I'm not sure how QT shocks a fish twisted...it should not be anymore stressful than being in a tank at the wholesaler or your LFS.
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:41 PM   #10
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I agree aswell worst advice I've heard, I've dripped everything and never lost a thing straight away. Your dt water will be different then the shops tanks so just dropping them in will shock the hell out of them. Best to set up qt as like said before it's just luck if you don't add something bad and trust me I was lucky for 18 months and going through ich now so the lucky ones always end up learning the hard way.
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