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Old 02-27-2005, 11:35 PM   #1
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Lets talk Cucumbers!

I'm thinking about adding a sea cucumber to my tank to help clean the sandbed of detritus. My sand is very fine ( like sugar ). The pictures I've seen of cucumbers show them on more of a gravel type sandbed. I'm wondering if my fine sand will be OK for a cucumber or should I try something else, like a pepermint shrimp. Also, should a cucumber be OK with my horseshoe crab and a couple of dwarf hermit crabs?
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Old 02-27-2005, 11:40 PM   #2
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some cukes are ok and others are not ! what were you looking at ? fyi horseshoe crabs are really a no no in typical tanks a 46 is way to small! you really need a huge tank for them to live long term!
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some cukes are tank nukers!
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Old 02-28-2005, 01:57 AM   #4
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I was thinking of a Tiger Tail Sea Cucumber from Liveaquaria or an Atlantic Sand Cucumber from Premium Aquatics. I wanted something that would clean the substrate and be interesting to look at, but not destructive to the tank. If it looks like the cucumber isn't the best choice I'm open to suggestions.

I've had the horshoe crab for 8 months and he seems to be doing well. He's always had plenty of sand area to play in, but with the addition of my live rock recently I know he's getting crowded in there. He's popular with the family but I know that shortly I need to find him a better home.
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Old 02-28-2005, 09:29 AM   #5
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Sea Cukes are great at cleaning a sand bed. I have a cuke in both my tanks and they do a great job at cleaning the sand bed. I like the Atlantic cuke better, JMO2.
I have never had them nuke a tank? I had a tiger tail disapear in my 55 and nothing happened to my tank. I replaced him with a yellow AC and he is great.
They only clean the top layer of the SB and having a fine sand is ok for them.
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I have a tiger tail cuke from liveaquaria. it has done well in my tank.

I would only have 1 cucumber in that tank.
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Is it just certain Cucumber species that can release toxins or is it all of them?
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Old 02-28-2005, 04:56 PM   #8
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Potentially all are a risk although some species less so than others. It really comes down to the amount of water volume and type of filtration used. For the most part tiger tails and pink/black Hawaiians will not inpact a med-large sized tank. There is also spawning to be considered. While quite rare, the eggs produced by the female are extremely toxic. Once the eggs do the rounds through the equipment and burst, the toxins are quickly distributed through the water column. Sessile and mobile inverts are typically never affected, fish however would be dead within an hour or two. Sperm released by the male will degrade water quality but is not toxic. Unfortunately there is no way to tell them apart.

Just be sure if you ever consider adding one that the water paramaters are quite stable and the tank is at least 6+ months matured. An unstable or young tank will not be able to sustain them. Cukes cannot be target fed and Sea apples are even more of a concern.

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Thanks Steve. Once again you've done more than answer my question. I think my tank will do fine w/ out one. I've had my fish too long to want to lose them to some Cuke eggs.
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You Mean the toxins are the white stuff that come out of the sea cucumbers ? Like In The Movie Jackass? lol
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