Long Nose butterfly better than Copper Banded Butterfly?

[melosu58]

Sorry I took so long Chad but I just posted for information sake. Not saying yey or nay just for info. Mrs Hara stated what I meant on inverts.

[TheChad]

Originally Posted by Hara

The copperband is NOT impossible to keep..I have had mine over a year. Lando had his for a long time, lost it just recently due to the tank leak.

Lucky You?

I gave up after 4 died.


I just purchased a Long Nose today. Hopefully he'll stay away from my Corals.

I do have a few small feather dusters that were in my LR, If he eats those, I wont be mad, but i'd be nice if he stayed away from em.

With the rapid growth of polyp's If he does "nip" at them, I assume it wont actually hurt them?

-TheChad

[Hara]

I dont think luck has anything to do with it.

As for the polyps, once a fish takes a liking to something it is usually pretty persistant about picking at it long term. No coral is going to live through that for very long.

[TheChad]

Originally Posted by Hara

I dont think luck has anything to do with it.

As for the polyps, once a fish takes a liking to something it is usually pretty persistant about picking at it long term. No coral is going to live through that for very long.

If not luck, Then please share your secrets? I pampered mine, and they still died.

I've been reading alot about the Long Nose, and I havent seen any reports of them picking at corals, So cross my fingers mine will leave my corals alone.

-TheChad

[Hara]

There is no secret, you make sure you see them eating before you buy them. Then you make sure their environment suits their needs, alot of rock, alot of small enriched meaty food such as brine and the smaller varieties of mysis. A tank that doesnt have tankmates prone to harass them as well.

[melosu58]

I agree with Mrs hara that I dont leave mine up to luck. I try to do everything I need to do from PWC`s every week to proper feeding. Mrs Hara gave a pretty good list also. I`m not saying you dont do those but just making a point. Alot of times I say good Luck at the end of a post but I really need to stop saying that. We need to stop relying on luck and rely on just doing the right thing. I`m not saying any of this because of you Chad. It just made me think out loud.

[TheChad]

Originally Posted by melosu58

I agree with Mrs hara that I dont leave mine up to luck. I try to do everything I need to do from PWC`s every week to proper feeding. Mrs Hara gave a pretty good list also. I`m not saying you dont do those but just making a point. Alot of times I say good Luck at the end of a post but I really need to stop saying that. We need to stop relying on luck and rely on just doing the right thing. I`m not saying any of this because of you Chad. It just made me think out loud.

I think alot of it does have to do with luck.

The Luck part is getting a good fish to begin with. Even if you do everything right.

I can tell you that I went out of my way to do EXTRA PWC's, and test the water every day, and fed several times a day in QT, to try and keep my CB's alive. But they all died after about a month.

With none of them having any signs before they died, I can't even begin to figure out WHY they died.

I have this problem alot. I do my very best to select the best fish at the LFS, I spend atleast 3 hours at the LFS when I make a purchase. I do 1-2 hour drip acclimation, I feed more often, and do more PWC's, and test more often than probably 90% of people in this hobby... Yet I loose alot of fish in the first 3-6 weeks. If they live longer than that, I don't have any problem with them.

Am I doing something wrong? Its possible, But I do everything that everyone has told me I am suppose to do.

One thing that tells me my tank is happy, is that My soft corals are EXTREMELY happy, They are growing at an excelerated rate, and show no signs of being unhappy.

If corals are suppose to be one of the most sensative life in this hobby, then I must be doing something right....

Just as an example... I had a porclin crab, he was doing great, he was filtering food all day long, happy as could be. I woke up yesterday to see his body pull apart laying all around the sand bed. Why? I don't believe anything else in the tank would have messed with him unless he was already dead. So why'd he die? This is what is beyond my understanding.

How does life in the tank look good one day, and the next its laying on the sand bed dead, or in pieces? (Thanks hermits)

-TheChad

[Hara]

Soft corals are fairly forgiving and adaptable when it comes to water quality. Lets look at the other things you mentioned. Feeding..how often do you feed? Feeding too much not only affects water quality, but I find fish have less of an appetite. Except for very few instances, there is not really a need to feed more often then every other day. What types of food are you feeding as well?

Was your crab really dead? or are you seeing the molt? They will hide for a few days after molting.

After all is said and done, look at the source of your livestock. Is there a common denominator between where you are buying your fish and the fish that die?

I also saw your post on aiptasia..aiptasia thrives in less then perfect water conditions. Could you give us some chemistry numbers to look at?

[TheChad]

Originally Posted by Hara

Soft corals are fairly forgiving and adaptable when it comes to water quality. Lets look at the other things you mentioned. Feeding..how often do you feed? Feeding too much not only affects water quality, but I find fish have less of an appetite. Except for very few instances, there is not really a need to feed more often then every other day. What types of food are you feeding as well?

Was your crab really dead? or are you seeing the molt? They will hide for a few days after molting.

After all is said and done, look at the source of your livestock. Is there a common denominator between where you are buying your fish and the fish that die?

I also saw your post on aiptasia..aiptasia thrives in less then perfect water conditions. Could you give us some chemistry numbers to look at?

I feed 1 cube of Mysis shrimp each day. I feed it over the course of the whole day. I know feeding extra can cause water problems, but That is why I keep up on water changes, and I never really have a problem with my water.

I am about 99% sure the crab was dead. I've seen plenty of moltings, and this didn't look like a molting.

A few Aptasia's to me is alot, since i've never had them before. I only had maybe 6. They came in on a few pieces of LR I purchased, Before that I never had them.

As for my Water, The only thing's that are out of spec right now is my Magnesium, and Calcium, which is because I never tested for them before, because I never really had a need to. Now that I am going Reef, and want to get my coraline going, I started testing and buffering them to get those where they are suppose to be.

This is what I test: Ammonia: 0, Nitrite: 0, Nitrate: 0-10ppm (on a really bad month), PH 8.0-8.4 (Usually 8.2-8.3), Phosphate: 0, dKH 13, Calcium: 410 (tested yesterday), Magnesium: 1024 (It was at 400 when I first started testing for it),

Is there anything else I should be testing for?

Thanks,

-TheChad

[Hara]

If your water is stable at what you just listed, the water quality is not killing your fish. I will assume your temp is stable. That being said, I would still feed the fish every other day only.

Can you come up with a correlation between the fish that die and where you are buying them from?