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Old 01-25-2005, 07:06 AM   #1
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Melted snow = water?

Anyone (here in the northeast, at least) ever try harvesting nature's bounty and use melted snow as source water? (Ditto collected rainwater)Here in NY we have an ample supply right now (low pH, though). I'm going to test it, but I just wondered if experienced hands out there will recoil in horror at the suggestion, or if you guys are already out there shovel in hand!! If it's useable, we'll need to start using MS (melted snow) along with LS and LR and all of the other abbreviations on this board!

BTW, I've used it for my freshwater tanks without problem (I strain out the very fine sediment that, without which, rain and snow could not be possible!!).


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Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 01-25-2005, 07:56 AM   #2
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Why go through all that trouble?
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Old 01-25-2005, 08:36 AM   #3
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I don't have an RO/DI unit (yet) and I'm just stating a new tank. It's really no trouble, as there is a 4-ft drift right outside the door leading to my back deck! I want to shovel the snow anyway, and I could pick up the water I need for my startup at the same time.

Plus, there's something appealing about doing at least ONE thing without chemicals and technology - the old-fashioned way, perhaps?!?!
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30 gal standard 55 lbs LR, 60 lb live sand, 10 gal sump/refugium. Urchin skimmer, mag7 pump, 3 x 96W PC combination 10,000K/actinic bulb, 2 blue LED moonlights
SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 01-25-2005, 08:53 AM   #4
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One thing you might want to consider/investigate:

snow = water =acid rain

Food for thought.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:40 AM   #5
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Believe me, as the owner/caretaker of an inground pool, I have the ongoing pleasure of dealing with acid rain.

What is/are the recommended ways to raise pH of source water before adding it to a tank? (What does one do when mixing new salt water, for example, to raise the pH to match the tank?)
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SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:51 AM   #6
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There are products you can buy. The only one I can think of is called Proper PH 8.2. I'm sure there are others.
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when mixing new Salt water, usually the salt mix will take care of the pH level. The only thing I'll say, is that if you know the rain causes issues with your swimming pool, think of what it will do to your tank. It's the same stuff except now you're giving it to animals that need to breathe it.

Have you check with any of your LFS? many of them do the BYOB water, either RO or mixed SW for quite cheap. Call around and ask. That's what I used as a water supply for the few months until I could afford an RO filter.

Ultimately, you're going to want to look for an RO filter. The DI, IMO, is optional, prefered for sensative reef systems.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:27 AM   #8
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As usual, great tips and answers. This board is indispensable.

Thanks, folks!!
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SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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What is/are the recommended ways to raise pH of source water before adding it to a tank? (What does one do when mixing new salt water, for example, to raise the pH to match the tank?)
I don't have to increase my pH when I mix sea water...the salt blend does that for me.

As far as recommended ways to raise pH: baking soda, or a commercially available carbonate buffer (like Kent's superbuffer dKh)
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I would be concerned with potential pollutants as well depending on the area of the country you live in. I too get RO form my LFS for $.50/gal. I just use 5 gallon jugs made for water. eventually I may break down and buy an RO unit, but this has been handy enough so far.

If you need a large amount check out a water supply store. When I first started I bought my RO form a water supply store and just had to leave a deposit on the bottles which was later refunded upon return. Most will even deliver for a price.
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