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Old 10-14-2004, 01:22 AM   #11
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what does a sump do? I know nothing about protein skimmers. What I meant about not enough room is that there isn't enough room for anything that I've found on the back of my tank. I haven't checked into the bak pak though. my tank is about two feet wide. the back is already inhabited by the dual wheel penguin...doesn't leave but a few inches. Someone just give me a rundown about what a ptorein skimmer actually is and what is the use for a sump...i actually know nothing.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:39 AM   #12
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a sump is generally another smaller tank under your tank (usually hidden in the stand) water flows into it via an overflow or a hole in the tank drilled for this purpose. the water goes into the sump and is returned to the tank by a pump. This adds volume to the overall system, stabilizing the environment. Also, it gives you more spots for heaters, filters, skimmers, algae farms, etc

Most people here do not recommend bio wheels for SW tanks. They'd suggest 45lb of LR for a 30 gal tank with lots of water movement.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:31 AM   #13
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but if 45 lbs of LR is too expensive for your budget, you could do 20lbs of LR, and 25lbs of 'dead' base rock. It'll eventually become live rock and become encrusted with coralline algae. It's usually 1/3 the price of live rock.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:33 AM   #14
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yep! I got 60lb from hirocks.com for $80 shipped.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:46 AM   #15
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is there no room because of your HOB filter? if so, your kinda outa luck. The only thing I could suggest would be hanging the skimmer on the side of the tank., or removing the HOB filter and repacing it with a nice canister filter system. this will free up room for your skimmer.

I have a CPR BAK PAK 2R and its about 8 or 9 inches wide. I also have a Magnum 350 canister filter. which is nice because otherwise I couldn't get the HOB filter and the skimmer to fit on the back of my 37 gallon.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:05 PM   #16
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The CPR bak-pak is 7.5" W x 6.25" D x 19.5" H, a little smaller than the prizm I used to run (total junk skimmer).

Honestly I think the skimmer will do more for you than that HOB filter. If you feel the need to have a HOB, I'd downgrade the size of it to open up the 7.5inches for the bak-pak skimmer. It's going to clean your water by removing particles too small for you to see, while the HOB's only going to pull larger particles out. Plus on the HOB, you'll have to clean the sponge every other day to keep it from becoming a nitrate factory.
I know that sounds weird, but SW is different in a lot of way than FW aquariums. It's a more delicate eco-system, with more variables to keep track of, but it's a fun challenge, and once things start to click, it gets much easier.
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Old 10-15-2004, 12:32 AM   #17
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so what you guys are telling me is...it isn't necessary to have bio wheels...is a filter even necessary if I have a sump and a protein skimmer with plenty of LR? The LFS told me the best idea was to get a canister filter and then a protein skimmer...the only problem is that I already blew fifty bucks on the filter, and to change it all around would cost an extra 250...seems kinda pricy for such a small tank. Just trying to find out what would be best so I don't have to keep trusting the people that make money off me being gullable.
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just clean the canister out regularly and you should be ok for now.. add more rock (live or base) till you get to 45 lb, and save up for a skimmer. you can get a bakpak for around $105 now

if the filter is still in the box, return it. otherwise, you can use it to run carbon occasionally after you retire it
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Maybe I should mention this since I'm in the market for a skimmer right now, but there are some bakpak's on ebay right now for under 100...

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