Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater Reef Aquaria
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 05-20-2007, 09:29 PM   #1
AA Team Emeritus
 
Devilishturtles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Frederick, Maryland
Posts: 8,544
Send a message via Yahoo to Devilishturtles
Question regarding filter media.

Here's probably a stupid question for you guys. I've been running carbon and phosban in an HOB filter, an AC 500 that I loaded with sand, liverock rubble, carbon, and the phosban. It made microbubbles like mad in the water, which was extrememly annoying and I didn't really think the stuff was working (the phosban). The microbubbles were really getting to me, so I unplugged the filter and have had the phosban and carbon sock sitting in the water but not in any way running through any filtration.

I've noticed that the bits of macroaglae in my tank have really taken off (in a bad way) but that the film algae that ususally grows on my glass is almost non existant. But I notice that when it does grow on the glass, it's full of bubbles. Not in a slimy way like cyano or dinos, but just like film algae with bubbles. So I guess I have 2 questions.

1. Can the addition of microbubbles from equipment (skimmers, HOB, powerheads, etc.) actually fuel algae? and...

2. Is it okay to just leave the carbon and phosban floating in the water? Or am I really nullifying it's effects? So far, I'm pleased with the results, but the macroalgae is taking off so that could be why I'm not seeing any green algae. Their prescense doesn't bother me at all in comparison to how the HOB annoyed me.

Thanks
__________________

__________________
-Lindsay

Live in the Western MD/West Virginia/DC Metro Area?
Join our very active regional forum Here

Like the advice someone just gave you? Add to their reputation! Click on the balance icon underneath their username and let them know.
Devilishturtles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2007, 10:38 PM   #2
SW REEF 18+ YEARS
Community Admin
 
melosu58's Avatar



Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 38,249
I`m sure the macro is out competing the nuisance algea. If you like the results then I say stick with it. Do you have anything to consume the macro for you or do you have to manually remove.
__________________

__________________

SITE ADMINISTRATOR

You can view many of my fish and corals in my photo albums in my profile.

View my tank


AA Community Rules|AA TOS

Forums 101 - posting, accounts, basics
melosu58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 01:33 AM   #3
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: philadelphia. PA.
Posts: 2,679
Was the HOB increasing the flow on the front glass? FWIW I've noticed that I get more algae, on the glass at least, in the highest flow areas.
Quote:
Is it okay to just leave the carbon and phosban floating in the water?
It will limit the effects and efficiency, but should still do something. That may be why the macros are taking off.? I would recommend kneading the media once or twice a week. That will break up any clumps and allow fresher media, from the center where flow may not be reaching, access to water/nutrients. It may also save you some media.
I know what you mean about HOB equipment/micro-bubbles being so annoying. That was the main reason I added a sump to my tank.
HTH
__________________
Mike
MT79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 10:26 AM   #4
AA Team Emeritus
 
roka64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,860
Send a message via AIM to roka64 Send a message via Yahoo to roka64
Question regarding filter media.

My understanding of the phosban is it works best with a little flow through it. I notice with too much flow, it would break up and end up in the tank and floating on the surface. I agree with MT, it will also limit the effectiveness of both.
__________________
Age is relative, you are only as old as you act....of course, this works in reverse....

Questions loved, heeded advice greatly appreciated!

Vote for AA
Good reading about:
Nitrogen Cycle
Fishless Cycling
Need more help?
Articles
Acronym List

--Scott
roka64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 11:51 AM   #5
AA Team Emeritus
 
Devilishturtles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Frederick, Maryland
Posts: 8,544
Send a message via Yahoo to Devilishturtles
Thanks guys.

Mike1, I thought about attempting another lawnmower blenny to help me control it, but with my experiences last time I dunno. Atleast maybe this time I know for sure it has lots and lots of macroalgae to eat!

Mike2, yes the HOB was creating higher flow on the glass and come to think of it, algae did grow there much better. I suppose then that one could say increased oxygenation can increase the growth of algae. Thanks for the tips with kneading the media, I'll give that a try after I do a major algae overhaul and water change tonight.

Scott, Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can't figure out what is up with the HOB and keep it running. I might take out the sand and some of the rubble and see if that helps at all.
__________________
-Lindsay

Live in the Western MD/West Virginia/DC Metro Area?
Join our very active regional forum Here

Like the advice someone just gave you? Add to their reputation! Click on the balance icon underneath their username and let them know.
Devilishturtles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 11:59 AM   #6
AA Team Emeritus
 
roka64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,860
Send a message via AIM to roka64 Send a message via Yahoo to roka64
I have been entertaining the thought of a DIY holder for my phosban an purigen (on my 125) in the filter I am using now. I am thinking of getting a couple sheets of plastic and glueing them together with a space cut out to house the media bags, so that they will fit in the media "slots".
__________________
Age is relative, you are only as old as you act....of course, this works in reverse....

Questions loved, heeded advice greatly appreciated!

Vote for AA
Good reading about:
Nitrogen Cycle
Fishless Cycling
Need more help?
Articles
Acronym List

--Scott
roka64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 12:47 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
macman7010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: MD
Posts: 833
I would say your situation might be a result of the phosban working as expected. Since nuisance algae and cyano-bacteria both use phosphates as a fuel to grow the removal of those likely stunted the growth of the slimy, annoying algae. Perhaps in your system they had a stronger hold then the macro-algae though once the phosphates were lowered the macro-algae had a change to come back.

Any chemical media needs either a strong or at least gentle water flow in order for it to have maximum efficiency. I would recommend continuing to run water through the media. One suggestion I could make, in regards to the micro-bubbles would be using a canister filter for your chemical media. If you take a canister filter, strip it of all foam and bio media it can be very effective for using a wide range of chemical filtration. Perhaps using a canister filter would cut down if not eliminate the micro bubbles.
__________________
Want a great read check out my debut novel Neptune's Garden: www.neptunesgardenbook.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7vYW3b-rJA
macman7010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 01:06 PM   #8
AA Team Emeritus
 
roka64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,860
Send a message via AIM to roka64 Send a message via Yahoo to roka64
Quote:
Originally Posted by macman7010
ake a canister filter, strip it of all foam and bio media it can be very effective for using a wide range of chemical filtration.
That's exactly what I use my canister for on my 55G. I do still have the ceramic rings in the top two baskets.
__________________
Age is relative, you are only as old as you act....of course, this works in reverse....

Questions loved, heeded advice greatly appreciated!

Vote for AA
Good reading about:
Nitrogen Cycle
Fishless Cycling
Need more help?
Articles
Acronym List

--Scott
roka64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 01:18 PM   #9
AA Team Emeritus
 
Devilishturtles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Frederick, Maryland
Posts: 8,544
Send a message via Yahoo to Devilishturtles
Hmm, interesting. I never even considered getting a canister for the tank. I'll have to start doing some googling. Any reccomendations guys? Thanks!
__________________
-Lindsay

Live in the Western MD/West Virginia/DC Metro Area?
Join our very active regional forum Here

Like the advice someone just gave you? Add to their reputation! Click on the balance icon underneath their username and let them know.
Devilishturtles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2007, 02:29 PM   #10
AA Team Emeritus
 
roka64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,860
Send a message via AIM to roka64 Send a message via Yahoo to roka64
I like the fluvial, it's the only canister I have used. It was kind of a pain to set up, but I don't have any problems with it, except the kitten that chewed through the hoses, twice! I fixed that problem already.
__________________

__________________
Age is relative, you are only as old as you act....of course, this works in reverse....

Questions loved, heeded advice greatly appreciated!

Vote for AA
Good reading about:
Nitrogen Cycle
Fishless Cycling
Need more help?
Articles
Acronym List

--Scott
roka64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
filter, filter media, media

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
filter media question Jaster General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 4 02-08-2009 04:44 PM
filter media question JoshsReef General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 5 08-12-2007 06:11 PM
Filter Media Question r6mason General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 7 08-07-2005 09:23 PM
Filter Media Question molotov256 Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started 3 01-08-2005 11:05 AM
Filter media question @HOME Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 7 02-12-2004 01:36 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.