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Old 05-31-2007, 05:32 PM   #1
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Questions abouts some Corals and Tank Update w/ Pics (Long)

Hi guys, its been a while since I've posted an update about my tank and I've got a few questions so I thought this would be a good time.

Here was my tank in early December:



And then in late January:


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Since this time, pretty much everything in my tank has been golden except for FISH. This is my biggest issue. Althought my water quality is pretty much perfect, most of my fish do not survive past 3 or 4 weeks. Currently, I've got that same blue tang, ONE percula, a bicolor psuedo and a scooter blenny.

When the fish do die, its seems to be similiar in that there are no signs of distress or anything before they die. For everything that died, the previous day the fish was swimming around, being social AND eating. No exaggeration. The next day I would find it dead. It happened to the anthias, the yellow tang, 2 flame angels and a copperband butterfly (Over about 4-5 months). It is very frustrating because like I said, water quality is literally perfect (0 nitrates/nitrites). The last fish I added was about 6 weeks ago with the Copperband Butterfly. He immediately was eating, being social and doing great for about 3 weeks. Then one day I came home and he was dead.

What I did notice is that the deaths started happening after I added a Coral Branded Shrimp. He pretty much hides out all day and does his own thing and only acts aggresive somethings goes near his area , then he will sort of snap at them. Everyone says these things are peaceful and whatnot but what the heck else is killing my fish? I know I do not have any mantis shrimps or something crazy like that, and I'm having a really hard time getting the CBS out. He has like 1 foot long antennae and can feel me coming from a mile away.
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Other than this minor issue of FISH NOT SURVIVING, my tank is doing great:



I have sort of gone nuts with the corals:






My questions actually have to do with a couple of the corals so I suppose I'll post about that in the Sick forum. Hopefully you guys can help me with those questions here:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewto...=819976#819976

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How do you acclimate the fish?
Have you purchased them all from the same store?
Does your temp and pH stay stable?
That's a beautiful tank by the way!
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Awesome tank! I'd go along with what Scott is picking at. It seems the place you are getting your livestock from might be your issue. Wild caught fish are notorious for dying just like you said, just a stress thing. Can you try a different store in your area?
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:13 PM   #4
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How do you acclimate the fish?
I pretty much just float the bag. I tried drip acclimating once but with the way my tank is setup it was a mess. I'm not sure if acclimation is the issue because the fish survive for at least 2 weeks before dying. If it were, wouldn't they show signs of stress much earlier?

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This is something that I thought of and unfortuantely, buying fish from different places didn't help. The fish came from 3 different LFS's (maybe 2, i'm having trouble remembering). There is a place near my house that does custom aquariums and althought their prices are quite a bit higher, I am going to get my next fish from them as they seem to quarantine their fish and keep an eye on them before selling.

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Indeed it does. PH stays stable at about 8.0 and my temperature is fairly stable. It ranges from between 78.5 - 80.5 throughout the day.
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FYI scooter blennies need an established tank with plenty of lr just like mandarins, since they usually only eat live food (pods). Since you tank is about 6 months old it may be ok but watch him to make sure he doesn't deplete your pods and starve.
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That's a good point, Lance, mine now will eat frozen.
I would try the other store and see how that works out, in this case, you may be getting what you pay for. You could also ask the other LFS how the fish are caught, do they QT. I like to put a fish on hold and wait a week or so, to see how it is doing. This also calms down my "instant gratification" urge.
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Your tank looks good. Sorry to hear about your troubles with the fish. SInce you still have the regal tang, the chances of some type of parasitic infestation are low, but still possible. When a fish dies for "no apparent reason", that is, no signs of trauma, disease, etc. it is a good idea to evaluate the diet. Especialy if they are eating and seem fine one day and die teh next. Fish are very good at compensting for poor diet but then dramatically decrease in codition. Can you explain what, ho, and how often you feed the tank? Your corals look good but a listng of current water parameters is a great place to start.
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Great looking tank. I too would like to start with the water parameters.
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Thanks for the replies guys.

Well I just tested my water a couple of days ago and the results were pretty much confirmed by a local LFS

Ammonia - 0
PH - 8.1
Nitrites - 0
Nitrates - 0 (It really is 0 or near 0, I didn't think this was that possible but adding a fuge dropped this figure to 0)
Phosphates - I havn't tested this in a while but last time I did, phosphates were very low (lighter than the first color on the chart)
Temp - 78.5 - 81 throughout the day

I have not tested Calcium or Alkalinity recently, but I thought those were variables that affected corals more, not fish.

As far as feeding goes, I feed every other day. I use those frozen cubes of mysis and feed them about 3/4 of the cube. About 3 times a week I also give them Cyclopeeze. Finally, I use DT's and some other phytoplankton food alternatively every couple days.
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Do you know what the temp drops to a few hours after lights out? If it is more than 2 degrees, that may be your problem.
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