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Old 03-30-2011, 07:13 PM   #1
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:27 PM   #2
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Very Very Sad, people just don't understand or don't care
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:06 PM   #3
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Very sad but it is recovering.

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Old 03-30-2011, 10:45 PM   #4
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It is indeed sad, I watched the other day a documentary about the rise of coral sales in the US that are not compliant with the rules to protect reefs...many new "shops" in the middle of streets in CA, where people are selling frags from corals caught in the wild...We must as hobbyists neglect the purchasing of illegally caught corals and report when their sale is unlawful
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I want to buy a bunch of corals and go plant them now. Who's with me?

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The earth and the ocean are amazing things. To think that human caused global warming caused this is just ridiculous. to think that the human race can cause a drastic change to the earth is silly. people don't realize that the primary greenhouse gas is water vapor...not CO2. for them to hint that global warming caused the "small" spot of increased water temp in the pacific is absurd.

I agree that we should reef responsibly. I don't buy wild caught corals (most of the most beautiful corals are already maricultured or aquacultured).
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My LFS sells 5+ generation corals and they grow them in a green house

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The earth and the ocean are amazing things. To think that human caused global warming caused this is just ridiculous. to think that the human race can cause a drastic change to the earth is silly. people don't realize that the primary greenhouse gas is water vapor...not CO2. for them to hint that global warming caused the "small" spot of increased water temp in the pacific is absurd.

I agree that we should reef responsibly. I don't buy wild caught corals (most of the most beautiful corals are already maricultured or aquacultured).

The primary greenhouse gas isn't water vapor. Water vapor is generally constant so it can be disregarded in most scenarios. Additionally studies done on the contrails of jets have indicated that even slight increases of atmospheric water vapor in the form of even tiny clouds can reduce temperatures in a located region. The primary issue is methane gas and carbon dioxide. Both are important factors in anthropogenic global warming.

I don't think it's feasible to blame that local spike in temperature on global warming though. It seems to me (I am no climatologist though) like a freak spike in temperature. But it's also incorrect to blatantly deny the human impact on the global environment.

The effect of one person is insubstantial. The collective effects of over 6 billion people is incomprehensible.
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many new "shops" in the middle of streets in CA, where people are selling frags from corals caught in the wild
most, if not all LFS's and wholesale companies import and sell wild collected corals. they would never make a living otherwise. most of them ride on the "aquaculture" bandwagon, but in reality, order direct from the wholesalers as is the norm.
do you think someone is growing those large LPS and SPS colonies? how long do you think that would take?
actually, the only company i know of that allegedly doesn't sell wild pieces is ORA. they only sell little tiny frags for high prices. never giant colonies.
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I wonder how much impact all the newly founded radiation will have on the reef as well. I believe the hobby is coming to a halt in the coming years. I hope I'm incorrect
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