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Old 05-03-2012, 12:14 PM   #11
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You can buy pods and seed evry once in a while and a trigger really wont turn out well for small fish,they will be eaten and it will prob stress the tang out,which will give it ich(tangs are highly susseptible to it) and youll have a possible wipeout also it may border on overstocking and they can occasionally nibble corrals so i wouldnt do any trigger for a reef but dnt get me wrong its a cool fish
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:46 PM   #12
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I hate to pick apart your stocking list, so forgive me....

I would for sure wait a good long time, like a year before considering mandarins. I have a scooter and mandarin dragonets and was able to wean them onto frozen food because they are in a small tank, not sure you could replicate that with a large tank.
The chromis, I would start with 5 and see what you end up with. I started with 5 and now have 3 left, one jumped and the other was most likely picked off by the others.
I would also cut the number of lyretails down. I have a male and single female squareback anthias pair and they seem more than fine. Maybe 2 females but I wouldnt make a huge harem in a 75g.

Which finally brings me to the tang. :-( I know some people have put them in smaller tanks like a 75g but in my opinion they need a 6 foot tank at least. My yellow zips around all day long and needs a good stretch of swim room to get to his high speeds and jerky movements. I call mine twitchy by the way, he is always spazzing out somewhere in the tank, very twitchy and jerky swim movements sometimes. lol

Thats not to say it cant be done, just that I wouldnt do it. lol
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:55 PM   #13
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I have extensive experience with the mandarins. Not worries there. I won't do the trigger. Stock list will work with my volume of water. Talked to many experts about the full effect of my system.

Otherwise, the "over stock" rule is basically "beginner guidelines.". But thanks guys.

Doing the 5 chroms
2 ocelaris
4 lyretails
1 yellow tang
2 mandarins
And maybe a flame angel; not sure.

As well as having a very well established system, I will be dosing with lots of pods AFTER A YEAR MIN OF ESTABLISED TANK. Plus I'll be using cyclops etc, and I know how to ween most mandarins into other planktonic foods.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:58 PM   #14
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Carey-

I've respected and utilized your advice for along time now. You rule. But again the mandarins I got in the bag. As for the lyretails they're some of the more agressive of the species the male will pick on the females to keep them from trying to turn into a male; the more females, the less direct picking on, plus it lowers the males over all aggression.

I've seen a lyretail male kill off most of the fish to one of the best hobbyists I've ever seen
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:03 PM   #15
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Including his blue chin triggers
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:51 PM   #16
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If youre confident on the mandarins and know what to do, good luck! Just wanted you to be aware, some people aren't but if you got it locked up then great.
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Haha trigger with chromis? Yup those chromis will be schooling alright... But i doubt they will be seen much. Lol
NuNu I hit wrong button lol meant to hit Quote !!!

More like dinner
Triggers and reefs do not mix well all your coral will be gone in no time (Chomp Chomp and its gone )
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:50 PM   #18
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Actually one of my "gurus" has the most gorgeous reef I've ever seen and "he" has 2 mandarins (after I taught him how to sexy up that refugium and splurge on pods), and 2 blue chins "and" a few chroms. No coral or chrom problems. Blue chins tend be more "shy" honestly.

None the less, I've finally decided on a 90gal (Carey I will not rest till I find a Craigslist steal!!)
With my 55 sump/refuge, 20 gal separate refuge

Lps, softies, some zoos/polys, ricordias and clams,

And
2 ocelaris
The 2 mandarins
1 yellow tang
4 anthias 1male 3 female
5 Bengai cardinals (not much on load cause they barely move)
And 5-7 chroms, depending on the systems functionality

With my estimated water volume and turnover rate (30+ per gph), it should be legit


P.s. Carey = amazing.

Carey, I noticed you posted about a tank with the par38s. Care to comment on their efficiency and led tactics in general???

I can't seem to get much input, but for a 90gal which i think is 48" long?? Will 2 of those par38s, angled from one corner to opposite on both sides, and one of those newer 90wat disc (forgot brand and model name) LEDs that are "supposed" to be for "up to" 48" hanging directly point center be alright in your opinion???

How do you like those PARs?? Which bulb set did you get/use??
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I used the par38 bulbs over a 4g pico tank. I then moved the bulbs over to the 20g i upgraded to from the 4g. I found with both over the 20g 24" tank that the light was splotcy and there wasnt good coverage. My corals all grew fine but the coverage issue prompted me to get a 4 bulb t5 light for the 20g and sell off the par38's.

I liked the color of the bulbs alot, the shimmer was awesome and it grew the corals in the 4g like a fiend. In my opinion you won't be happy with the dual setup even with a center led disc on your 90g. :-(

Have you considered using these panels? I have one over my 60g tank so I think 2 would be good over a 48" tank, even with the depth of it.

Amazon.com: TaoTronics Aquarium Coral Reef Tank White Blue LED Lamb Grow Light 120W: Patio, Lawn & Garden

You can get them on eBay for a bit less and even get ones that have a dimming knob. That'd be my suggestion for the lighting anyways lol.
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Well no I haven't untill now. You have good fortune with these panel lights?? Man that bums me out I thought those PAR38s were supposed to be pretty decent. I'll look into those panels for sure; no way I'm using that lighting scheme, now. Thank you so much.

I just know LED is the direction this hobby is going in, but as to "which" LEDs and of fixtures; I'm lost.. Lol.
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