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Old 08-13-2010, 02:42 PM   #11
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Yea i'm sure there is some way to become a certified collector of local species. Have you checked into that?
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Old 08-13-2010, 03:36 PM   #12
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Yea i'm sure there is some way to become a certified collector of local species. Have you checked into that?
Thats what I was doing when I went to the aquarium. Apparently collecting and keeping them are two different ball games and I got side tracked by the keeping them part.

Edit: In case I misunderstood what you meant, the aquarium director said there were permits I could get to keep a local aquarium but the resources required made it prohibitive for the average person
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:41 AM   #13
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Just giving everyone an update.

There is a lot more work/money involved then I had first anticipated. There are a number of elements that are more expensive and more difficult, the biggest being the chiller, which is very expensive, and "impossible" to DIY. I plan to build a chiller and post DIY plans. I will also be building my own tank, which could get tricky because I've never anything like that so it may take a while, which sucks because I really want to get an aquarium going.

Also, it's been 20 years since I owned an aquarium. So it occured to me it might be wise to start a freshwater tropical tank first, and since I was considering starting one at some point anyways, and doing so could jump start my learning curve on the temperate SW tank which could save me a lot of head aches in the future, and I'm all for anything that reduces headaches.

Hope to have another update in a month or two.
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I know that acrylic is a better insulator then glass tanks. If you are going to make your own tank i wonder if you could try and make your tank well insulated by using thick acrylic.

Is this going to be a stand alone tank or an in-wall tank. If you were willing to do inwall you could easily insulate the non-visible surfaces of the tank and possibly even have an air gap front viewing pannel like they do in windows these days. Air is an even better insulator then acrylic.
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Yeah, acrylic is about 5 times better insulator then glass. My plan is to use plywood/fiberglass for the bottom and three sides, and acrylic for the 4th side. I'm going to play with the shape a bit to get the viewing angles I want.

I'd love to do in-wall but my landlord would not approve. Also, I've been considering going double pane. If I end up using glass instead of acylic it will be double pane for sure.
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Apperently you are way ahead of me. You going to insulate the plywood surfaces of the tank?
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Possibly, the plywood/fiberglass will already be really good already compared to my viewing pane, but I may add that inch thick stryofoam insulation to the outside and then finish it with some nice looking wood. It would be a bit bigger and bulkier, but it would look nice and save money on chilling costs.
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Also, it's been 20 years since I owned an aquarium. So it occured to me it might be wise to start a freshwater tropical tank first, and since I was considering starting one at some point anyways, and doing so could jump start my learning curve on the temperate SW tank which could save me a lot of head aches in the future, ...
Why not start a tropical saltwater tank, versus a freshwater? Big difference between saltwater and freshwater, and if you do your learning curve on saltwater the only difference you're looking at is temperature. (Yeah... I know that's a BIG difference, but the chemistry is still the same.)
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Why not start a tropical saltwater tank, versus a freshwater? Big difference between saltwater and freshwater, and if you do your learning curve on saltwater the only difference you're looking at is temperature. (Yeah... I know that's a BIG difference, but the chemistry is still the same.)
+1 for sure. Get in the habit early of monitoring and testing the added levels of a SW tank. in my albeit limited experience, fw is much more forgiving.
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Why not start a tropical saltwater tank, versus a freshwater? Big difference between saltwater and freshwater, and if you do your learning curve on saltwater the only difference you're looking at is temperature. (Yeah... I know that's a BIG difference, but the chemistry is still the same.)

Cost and size. I want to do at least 90g+ for my saltwater reef and I don't really have anything for it. For my freshwater set-up, I have tanks and some gear, and the gear I need to buy and make won't be too expensive.

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+1 for sure. Get in the habit early of monitoring and testing the added levels of a SW tank. in my albeit limited experience, fw is much more forgiving.
Thats one of the reasons I'm going with a heavily planted FW aquarium. It will simulate some of the extra care I need to put into a SW set-up and be more forgiving. I will have to monitor the nutrients in the water and fortify as needed to keep my plants growing strong.

I'm also watching someone set up a tropical reef first hand, and thats teaching me a lot of things not to do
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