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Old 09-20-2006, 02:48 AM   #11
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it is easy to cure them in the main tank without killing any corals, LR or inverts

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I'd consider a smaller QT/hospital tank for medications - and introducing new fish. That way you won't compromise your main and never be able to keep cleanup crews or other inverts.
In addition to that some medications will kill off beneficial nitrifying bacteria and will allow ammonia to accumulate. You could end up having to cycle the tank again. That would require frequent large water changes and monitoring to say the least w/ a stocked tank. Best to use a QT tank.

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Old 09-20-2006, 04:11 AM   #12
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Ok so much being said one final decision: I am going to use ONLY limestone rocks, no liverocks of any kind. Just mainly limestone rocks. If they grow life in the process that’s fine, if they turning to become liverocks in future that’s fine as long as I don’t get critters/pests like mantis shrimps or pistol shrimps or crabs etc etc that you would expect from liverocks.

One question though, will these rocks creates any problem to water parameters? Also will there be any problem during cycling with these non-liverocks? I will put a few dead shrimps to kick starts the cycle since no liverocks is used and no die-off.

I will be using canister filters after the tank finish cycling and will see how things going first if it need be I will then add a skimmer. How does that sounds?

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Old 09-20-2006, 09:54 AM   #13
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I don't know much about limestone, butsome articles I've seen says it's not good for SW fish.

Here's one discsussion...


Besides there are plenty of options for liverock without mantis shrimp. And what's wrong with pistols? They're neat and totally reef/fish safe.

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Old 09-20-2006, 12:00 PM   #14
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OK here is my $.02. Going with base rock only to start is fine all rock becomes LR over time (nitrifying bacteria grows). I am thinking limestone is not the best choice as it is a soft stone and will likely leach out lime and other minerals into the tank that can cause problems with your parameters. The fact that I have never seen limestone for sale as base rock is one indicator. There are plenty of other stone choices out there that are proven base rock and do not cost 1/4 that of established LR. Do an online search or check you LFS for ideas.

As for filtration I would go with both a skimmer and canisters (plural with that large a tank). Start with the canisters and add a good skimmer 3-4 months down the road. The reason I say this is you are talking about keeping some large fish (6 tangs) which will produce a fair amount of waste and the skimmer will help remove some of this and keep you nitrates and algea down.

If you are doing a true FO what are you doing for substrate? my recommendation would be bare bottom to allow you better acess to cleaning up waste product. Other wise use a substrate, but give some serious consideration to a cleanup crew such as basic hermit and snails(as many as 1/2gallons) They add a whole new aspect to SW aquariums. Also with tangs cleaner shrimp are very cool. Nothing neater than watching a tang pull up to a cleaning station to get unwanted parasites removed.

Great point was brought up about a QT tank for new fish and using to hospitalize sick fish. Medicating the main tank is never a good idea. Ich can be horrible with tangs depending on the type you decide on. If you QT them first you minimize the risk of introducing disease into your main.

Finally, you mentioned 6 tangs. Even if you are planning no other fish for a 132g tank this is a lot of tangs. I am a number one fan of tangs and have kept no less than 8 different species of them at one time or another, but never more than 3 at a time. I am now down to a single purple tang in a 90g. They can be very territorial with other similar tangs which will cause stress and possible disease. Suggest you limit your selection to 3 different species (shape) and think about a few other fish. Unless you are thinking about a school of YT which could work.

My first setup was very similar to what you are talking about only with a 75g (wish I had a 132g). It has since transformed into the 90g reef I have now. Take your time and be patient. Most of all keep your options open (don't medicate the main) you will be suprised how addictive this hobby can be.

OK, maybe that was a $1.02 worth.


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Old 09-24-2006, 12:47 AM   #15
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I saw something you wrote that kind of stood out to me about your wanting to medicate the tank with tangs.

Here is my 2 cents ok?

If you are going to put snails and hermits in there to clean up, copper will sure kill them dead quick. You are better off with a UV sterilizer and/or cleaner shrimp to control that, as well as quarantine tank.

If I were you, I would check out the synthetic LR they sell dry at some LFS. I don't know for sure what exactly it was made of, but I checked it when I got it years ago as base rock and it was totally reef safe, it was some sort of limestone looking stuff and is now 'real' live rock due to the real stuff I put on top of it.

I would get some good base rock - maybe limestone, maybe not, I don't know enough about it, and seed the stuff with the 'good' live rock on top. If you want tangs, you will WANT the critters and alge from real live rock. I don't care if you are going to feed the tangs sheets of algae, these guys LOVE to pick on the LR anyway, you should try to provide a home for them as close to nature as possible, and if you can afford this monster tank you can afford a few pounds of good cured LR.

If you don't want ANY critters on your live rock, mix a bucket of SUPER SALTY water, something like off the scale salty and dunk the chunk of LR in that bucket. any shrimps in there will QUICKLY bail out, and skitter accross the kitchen floor looking for good saltwater. I have done this for years and trust me, it works. This won't kill off any of the algae on the rock. That stuff will grow back with time, and feed the tangs.

If I were you, I would go with a sump, two return pumps, one killer powerful protien skimmer (it will take care of the fish poop from big fish too) and tons of LR for main filtration on this tank. If it were me, anyway. That way, if you should ever change your mind on fish load or adding corals in the future, you could. You really can't 'over filter' your water all that easily, but it sure is easy to under filter it.

Good luck, and have fun!
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Old 09-24-2006, 08:54 AM   #16
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When I started this back August of 2005 I did all the reading,bought this then that because it was better than the first one I bought last week.
Now that Im a year wiser and if I were to start all over again this is what I would buy.

1.Largest tank you can afford. ( changes happen more slowly)
2. Best skimmer you can afford
3.good lighting
( you say you dont want a reef, but you can change your mind)
4. a sump, biggest that will fit in the stand
5. As much Live rock as you can 1 to 2 lbs per gallon (or dead rock and get one piece of live to seed this would be an inexpensive alternative)I would not use limestone.
6. 2 inch sand base (I use aragonite) This is just a personal preference.
7. patients
And thats it...

I have spent more money than I had to in the beginning and now that I have a small clue, thats how I would start my next tank and this is how my current setup is running with the exception of a filtersock in the sump.

hth... good luck ... :D

here is how my tank is doing with just a skimmer.
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Old 09-24-2006, 09:39 AM   #17
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Thanks for all the kind opinions guys. Really appreciate it. I will surely go slow. My tank has been delivered to my place 1 month ago it is STILL empty. Showing how much patience I have got here lol.
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:30 AM   #18
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No limestones. They do leach stuff into the water. I beleive they use limestones in Cichlid tanks where the PH needs to be really high and no other sensitive creatures are in the tank.

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