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Old 12-22-2011, 12:53 AM   #41
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Zach the only thing I'll criticize on at all is that you need to understand that a reef tank DOES require time. It's not a lot once you're setup (I spend about 2 hours a week on my tank at this point) - but getting rolling you should understand that you're going to be spending multiple hours working on things, getting them just right.

Not trying to discourage you - quite the contrary - but understand that, at least initially, PWCs are not the only time you're going to be devoting to this. To do it right, you should be testing your trace elements (At the LEAST calcium and alkalinity, trates, trites, phates) several times a week, you're going to need to tweak things like skimming, lighting times, and you need to be prepared for the unexpected. When you have an algae bloom (and you will, it happens to all new tanks that I've ever seen) you need to understand that you're going to need to have time to devote to scraping stuff out of the tank. It's not going to be weekly, it's going to be daily. That won't last forever - don't let what I'm saying deter you - but after a few years of keeping a fowlr I can tell you I didn't get to the point where it only required a couple hours a week for a good long while.

Best bet is to think of the hobby differently than you would from playing hockey, or scuba diving, or golfing. You need to remember that there are living creatures at the butt-end of this particular hobby. Corals, fishes etc are just as much alive pets as cats or dogs. No, you don't cuddle with them, but I get almost as upset at the loss of a prized fish as I do at the loss of a bird (definitely) or a cat (maybe not quite). I don't agree with the attitude you're catching necessarily, but you should make sure that you are prepared to devote the hours you'll need to keeping these living creatures happy and healthy. If your goal is simply to keep them alive....well...thats not the right attitude at all.

Reef keeping, by its very nature, is trying to establish a small ecosystem of creatures. Your own small slice of the ocean is the goal. That goal does not come without considerable investment of cash, time, and energy. If you don't have the time to commit (and many don't, not a judgement), then perhaps considering something like a hamster would be more appropriate.

If you decide you're in this for the long haul, then I look forward to your updates and (hopefully) photos as you come along...I admit I move slower than most, but understand that you don't go from buckets of water to a reef tank overnight. I've been running a fowlr for 4 years and am just now really reefing it out, as I've gained confidence in the hobby.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:00 AM   #42
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the point i was trying to make was i dont have the time to upgrade right now, as an expierenced reefer you should know that upgrading to a knew tank take hours and hours a week, time i dont have, i feel like this guy is critisizing me unfairly and putting words in my mouth
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:04 AM   #43
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the point i was trying to make was i dont have the time to upgrade right now, as an expierenced reefer you should know that upgrading to a knew tank take hours and hours a week, time i dont have, i feel like this guy is critisizing me unfairly and putting words in my mouth
Zach - I don't disagree...but understand that even getting a semi-running tank up to full blown reef is going to take a LOT of time. Take whatever time you have budgeted to this project and triple it. If that estimate makes you cringe then understand, you don't have the time for it.

I refer back to a statement I made in your previous thread. If what you want is lots of brightly colored fish with minimal time investment, check out african cichlids. If you're in this for the long haul, and the right attitude however, I'm more than happy to help in any way I can. I'm new to the reef game myself, but I've kept fishtanks for long enough that I know how quickly they can eat your time
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i am in this for the long haul and very day i do spend about 30 mins on my tank, but i just dont have time for a new tank, this guy is putting words in my mouth and unfairly critisizing me
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:59 AM   #45
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Fly back to your first post, ok, you want 5 fish in there, not 6.... My bad.

It's still too many in my opinion.

I'd really like to know why you couldn't just be happy with your pair of clowns?

Why do you want to overstock/stock to the hilt?

I criticise because I've read this and another thread where you simply took no notice of what people said to you. You asked for advice and disregarded it.

I'm not going to comment again, do as you like, it's not my you are spending.

Good day.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:02 AM   #46
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its because in 5 months of reefing you are the only person that said a 20 could only add 2 fish
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:03 AM   #47
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i have pesonally seen 10 gal tanks with 4 fish
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:08 AM   #48
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2 fish is my personal opinion.

Others may say you can have 10.

If you took a dump in a swimming pool there would be 1 turd floating, if 10 people did it there would be 10, do this 3 times a day and soon you would be up to the neck in raw sewage.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Here's a pic of my main tank, how many fish do you see?

It's a red sea max 250 by the way.

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nice tank but did you take into account that unlike the pool has rock, filtration flow and water changes
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Old 12-22-2011, 05:37 AM   #50
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Point Zach. Interesting to see some thought going into responses other than "ok, can I put (insert inappropriate stock list) in?"
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