Bolivian Rams and PH (and IS this a bolivian ram?)

[sudz]

Well, I'm not one to test PH very often, it usually doesn't change... However, i JUST checked the PH of my 15 gallon, and had to bust out the "high PH" test. Its just a hair under 7.8!!! Normally they float around 7.2 or so, which keeps my options fairly open.

I was hoping to get 2 more bolivian rams, as they just got in stock here in brampton. and are about the same size as my current ones. Maybe i can get 2 feamales.
Anyway, They are a cichlid, so i imagine they'll be fine in the basic water,
But what gets me is that I have driftwood in there, and eco complete... My water is around 7.2 out of the tap. Where did this PH reading come from?

as well, i have 2 small angels in there. They typically like a bit acidic, correct? if so... Will they be "comfortable" in that PH? I don't think they'ed fare well in my 44 gallon, as the black phantom Tetra's tend to be fin-nippers. Its also a higher current tank, (AC70, and a 201 powerhead)

Let me know what you think... I'll go pick them up in an hour (they're BEAUTIFUL. They also have fully grown ones, but i'd rather grow my own lol (they're going for 10 bucks a fish :-S)

And just to make sure... This IS a bolivian ram, correct? (see photo)

[Jchillin]

Yep...Bolivian. Regarding your ph, hard to tell why you would get 4-5 pts more than what you started with unless you have something in the tank that is buffering the water.

[maxwell1295]

I always thought red eyes=GBR and black eyes=Bolivian

[severum mama]

That's a GBR. They prefer soft, acidic water, but a stable pH is much better than the perfect pH. They have been tank bred for so many generations that it may not matter much. They are South American cichlids like angelfish and make good tank mates for angels. It's generally the African rift lake cichids that like hard, alkaline water.

[bs6749]

I am 100% positive that it is a German Blue Ram and NOT a Bolivian. Bolivians don't have the yellow or nearly as much coloring though they are still beautiful fish. As Maxwell pointed out, GBR's have red eyes. BTW, in case you were wondering, the fish pictured is a female.

GBR's should have a pH between ~6.5 - 7.0, but I have had them in pH of 7.6 or so with no problems. As many will say "A stable pH is better than a correct pH." I think this is true for the most part.

[CaptnIgnit]

Yep, that is a GBR not a Bolivian.

While they prefer acidic water, as long as you keep consistent water conditions they should do fine. FYI, they are very sensitive to KH changes. What is your KH at?

[Jchillin]

Yep, my mistake.

[sudz]

Thanks guys, I went to big al's. Compared, (they actually had both!)
Bolivian rams do not have red eyes, and are MUCH larger (at least theirs were) I bought 3 GBR's to go with my current 2. They are slightly larger, but my tank is well fed. As well, the fact that i'm keeping them with angels is proof that they are GBR's... the dude at big al's said that the bolivians would have taken the angels on, regardless of size.

Thanks for the input guys (and gals)

I'm amazed at how clear the picture turned out! lol. Even the guys at the fish store were blown away. (considering its a Point and shoot camera)

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CaptnIgnit, the hardness (KH) is at 9 degrees hardness. If it werent for the PH, i'd see if i could get a male! (i think i have 5 feamales now!)

I kinda went crazy at the store today. I was supposed to buy a seasons pass to Blue mountian (ski resort) But i ended up not. THis is my "splurging" money, and it was "Only" 60 bucks or so...
I bought 3 GBR's(10 bucks each! (OUCH!!!!)), 3 Dwarf Neon Rainbows(4 bucks each) (to go in my 44 gallon) and a large Sword plant (15.99)

Someone tell me its ok to spend that much money in one visit. It'll make me feel better! :P
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bs6749... you said it was a MALE?!? Hrmmmmm! I'm going to take more pictures now! I don't see too much of a difference. Some are more colorful than the others. (the ones i've had for about 6 months are much brighter!)

[bs6749]

If you post pics of each one I can tell you what they are. I have gotten pretty good at sexing them as I have 8 of my own. I just looked at your pics again and I am not so sure that it is a male. I think I see pink and if that is the case then it is definitely a female. I was going by the pelvic fins though. It looked like they extended past the anal fins but maybe not far enough. You need more of a "profile" shot so that I can see the fish straight on instead of it being slightly angled. ( I know... it is hard to do LOL) My 4 females have pink ALL of the time and my males are MUCH larger than the females.

I forgot that Bolivians are larger than GBR's too as you pointed out. That is another thing that separates them

[bs6749]

Sorry for getting your hopes up sudz. I took another look at the pics and you have a female there. I see a pinkish tint to the belly and the fish is rather small. As I said the males are usually a little bigger than the females. Maybe you have a male in the others that you bought though.