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Old 07-06-2003, 12:23 PM   #11
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Day Two: All seems peaceful. The red-tail sharks chase each other when two are out which is rare. The koi seems to be attracted to stress in the tank and moves to the center of it where it then dissipates. ....not easy to be mad at an opponent you cannot see for the fat belly of a friendly koi I actually put the koi in there to serve as peacemaker of sorts. I observed the social behavior of Koi in the pond and felt that the aquarium needed the koi to help residents sort themselves out. It worked well except that soon she will need her freedom in the pond and another tiny koi will be selected to replace her. They grow fast and need depth and space to race.
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Old 07-06-2003, 01:51 PM   #12
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Aside from the fact you're mixing tropical fish with temperate fish, you've also got WAY too many fish for that tank. The Koi alone is sufficient for that tank. You should NEVER have any more than one gourami in a tank, they are very aggressive towards each other. Also there is no such thing as a peaceful barb, you may not be paying enough attention. All the barbs I have ever known harassed each other and other fish. I never saw it but I'd see evidence of it. Those barbs will eventually harass the slower moving orandas, when they figure out they're each to prey on. IF you want to be a responsible hobbyist, remove all the barbs, the sharks, take back all but one gourami and get another tank for them. Otherwise return all of them except for the koi and goldfish, the others require heated water and will slowly succumb to not having a heated tank. Likewise for the koi and goldfish if the water is heated. Never intermix fish with different requirements, it's like taking a mexican druglord, a 1700 century englishman, a mayan and bill the butcher in one room and forcing them to live there, they may go about their own business for awhile but it's a disaster waiting to happen.
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Old 07-06-2003, 08:35 PM   #13
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wow!
Ok I will take this step by step.
I asked many ppl about the reason for not mixing tropical fish with non-tropicals. The only response was that the tropicals need warmer water temperature. Koi and goldfish also love warm water so that didn't seem like a big deal to me. If you go to koivet.com you will find that most ppl recommend that koi and goldfish be given temperatures above 70 degrees. Some ppl even bring their pond fish inside into a heated tank for the winter.

The koi is 5 inches. She started out as 3 inches. When she hits 6.5 inches she will go into the quarantine tank. She is just FINE in the aquarium. You didn't ask me about my filtration or my water specs.

The golden barbs as also the albino tiger barbs have been in the aquarium for two months. They are behaving as the sign on the aquariums where I bought them...as schooling peaceful members of the barb family. Nobody is chasing anybody.

Also as noted on the sign in the store, the gouramis, while shy, are not chasing anyone. Two have been in the aquarium for 3 weeks. Two are new.

I am not certain if the red finned sharks will work out. I will take the advice given earlier and watch carefully.

I do watch my aquarium a great deal. It is located close to my working space.


I have followed the instructions of this site and have less than one inch of fish per gallon of water.

Quite frankly, until you do put a mexican druglord, a 1700 century englishman, a mayan and bill the butcher into one room, you cannot with certainty know the mix will be a disaster.

As a "responsible hobbyist", I intend to watch my aquarium as diligently as I watch my pond. If there are problems I will deal with them immediately.

Every forum has one or two ppl who present themselves as all knowing by providing their information in a negative condescending manner. Most ppl shy away and feel ashamed that they have done what the "expert" states. An easy test of a real expert is the person who shares information without needing to feel good by putting others down.

Some of what you said might be correct...but I will find out that information from others thanks.
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Old 07-06-2003, 11:47 PM   #14
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I didn't mean to come on as being nasty, I meant as trying to get to the point. Things may be going ok now, regardless of that fact. that tank is way too small for all those fish. Eventually without drastic water changes the nitrates will get too high for those fish. Albeit they are all quite hardy species. I apologize for coming off nasty but I'm finding recently alot of "newbies" will NOT take any of our advice and continue to do as they please because they think it looks nice. Alot of people new to the hobby refuse to take initiative and research such as they would a new vehicle. Fish may not be as expensive, but they are living creatures and not machines. I'm sure that you'll do your best.
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I think what cdawson is trying to get across is there are fish with different needs in your tank, and you need to be aware of potential issues.

For example, yes, all the fish you've mentioned can tolerate similar temps. But they all have different Ph needs (barbs - 5.0 to 6.0, gouramis 6.0 to 7.0, finned shark - 6.0 to 8.0 and koi 7.0 - 7.5. Plus, unless your dH is around 12, then its not meeting the needs of all your fish). Also, as I'm sure you are aware, koi and the others in the goldfish family are MESSY and the waste levels they can produce may throw your water parameters off quickly. www.fishbase.com is a great place to do some research on the needs of different breeds of fish if you wish to look into more info on the ones you have (or ones you may be considering!).

Personally I think having a "peacemaker" in the tank is a neat idea; just be alert to the potential problems you may have with that particular mix of fish.
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An unknown fact to new fish keepers is that you can give unwanted fish back to the fishshop (LFS). It is better to give them back than watch the red sharks eat their friends over time - plus they are more likely to eat each other at night when the lights are off.
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An unknown fact to new fish keepers is that you can give unwanted fish back to the fishshop
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