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Old 11-23-2003, 08:45 PM   #21
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Just came across this topic and thought I'd post some of the latest info I have from
my end as a retailer:

First.... I am neither pro or con on this issue as yet.
Things are changing too quickly and there is to much rumors about....
with not much proven trials, so.... I'm kind of watching this thing.

Secondly, only two Wholesale suppliers with "licenses" to distribute these
"patented" fish here in the U.S. (Segrest and 5-D). They go on sale starting
Jan 5 as far as we're being told right now. I will probably get an order in...
just to see what they actually are!!??

The latest versions of these "red" fish have been changed to "show" luminescence
ALL THE TIME and "not like before... under certain lighting conditions".
The genes are those extracted from Sea Corals.... plans are to introduce
a yellow and a green later on.

This summer, a sterilzed version of this fish was introduced in Taiwan and
called "Night Pearls"....

The licensor of the genetic technology is Yorktown Technologies in Austin, TX.

They have stated that the Glofish danios have the same temperature sensitive
requirements and can therefore not reproduce in non-tropical climates.
This... I question because I think we all know the tons of fish that are "turned
loose" each year and are now breeding in the rivers and lakes of Fla.... just for openers!!??

They also say that they are otherwise supposed to be "safe" for the environment.

Calif Fish & Game has not actually ruled yet, but has given the indication that
they will NOT allow the Glofish into Calif.

I'm sure we all will be hearing and seeing more of this as time goes on.

I know I am watching all this quite closely too!!

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Old 11-23-2003, 11:27 PM   #22
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These fish were developed for serious scientific and aquaculture technology research. I would not jump the gun on this. There are two sides to every story, but unfortunately the possiblity that unscrupulous individuals could ruin the "good" reason for developing these fish does exist. This research is important - for both medical AND aquaculture uses. - Guppyman
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:31 AM   #23
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if they are going to genetically alter fish why dont they make all saltwater fish able to live in freshwater and tolerable to any water conditions? or better yet, give them legs and lungs so we can keep them in hampster cages and they can run in hampster wheels, or hampster balls. or why dont they give them vocal cords and bigger brains so we can have conversations with them and they can tell us what they dont like about their water. then maybe we can teach them to operate heavy machinery and pay them $.50 an hour for cheap labor. obviously thats not realistic though since the economy would go down the tubes. but where does it end?
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Old 11-24-2003, 06:11 AM   #24
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Humanity has been playing God since the first campfire, and over the ages it's been a very useful diversion.

Gregor Mendel was a geneticist, thank goodness. Without his work and the science it engendered, there's no way this planet would be supporting 1/3 the humanity that it does. While you might consider the planet 2/3rd's over-populated, the more `natural' alternative is bleak indeed, i.e., those lower `natural' human populations naturally enforced by widespread and utterly wretched Malthusian starvation. Add to that the near global environmental destruction that would be caused by starving people in search of anything edible. There's plenty of that anyway.

There is indeed a huge difference between selective cross breeding and modern genetics. Mendels selective cross breeding is crude as hell, and chock full of cruel failures in search of utterly random advances. Gene mapping and splicing is simply the next quantum leap up from Mendels stumbling ignorance, and a far more precise and useful tool than a hybridist could ever dream of. These fish might seem a trivial use of that tool, but then phosflourescent pets weren't the initial motivation for the research. They're a rather coincidental development.

They're also potentially rather charming. These fish aren't freaks or monsters. They're fish, and I hope they succeed fabulously. It might cut down some of the Luddite paranoia that compromises the most promising science of our new century.
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:49 AM   #25
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Fishfoo, thank you for your thoughtful, knowledgeable comment . It's something to the effect I wanted to say, but couldn't express my thoughts nearly as well.

I'm not a huge supporter of any random kind of genetic manipulation in general, but I hope what fishfoo said helps people realise that the GloFish wasn't originally developed for commercial purposes.
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:38 PM   #26
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then what was it developed for....light source? you guys obviously dont believe in any sort of god?
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:44 PM   #27
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SMonkey I am going to P my pants

Lungs and hamster wheels LMAO

hehehe......
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:51 PM   #28
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I am a woman of science, I do not share the general fear/hatred of genetic engineering. I've made an effort to keep my nose out of most of these discussions because I actually find them personally offensive, implying that us people of science are unethical monsters. It always seems there is additionally some attacks on religious beliefs, which I think is so sad. Let us maintain the reasons behind this forum, to help one another, and save the religious judgement for another time, and another place.
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Old 11-24-2003, 01:22 PM   #29
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Speaking for myself I don't have any beef with any of the individual scientists, or you, and I'm pretty sure most others here don't ether.

It's the driving force of the matter, the whole ethics thing, and some folks feel that religion and science are tied together. I'm not going to keep quiet about what I believe just because I think it might offend someone. Nor so I feel I am doing the world or community a disservice by airing my views.

So don't take it personally, please, I am sure nobody here wants to get in your face. Everyone really has their right to voice their opinion in a respectful manner.
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Old 11-24-2003, 01:38 PM   #30
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People fear the unknown and often react with anger.... it's a natural reaction.

I'm not worried about scientists making up different colors of fish. I honestly don't think we have much to fear as a people from that. What I worry about are the genetic scientists screwing around with the Ebola virus and other infectious diseases. Now that is something to be worried about. It only takes 1 unscrupulous scientist to cause a global disaster.
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