loaches= deep 6 - Aquarium Advice

Elwood · 01-12-2007, 10:32 PM

I can not keep loaches alive. I really like them. Bala Sharks either. Other than the lack of scales I can't think of why they are dying. Usually to ick. I have my tank at 78 degrees.
Also, I get water droplets on the underside of my tank cover. Is that from the water heat?

LandGhoti · 01-12-2007, 10:34 PM

Maybe it's a Missouri thing. I'm in St. Louis. My zebra loach committed suicide tonight for no apparent reason. Bottom feeders jumping out? Whatever.

Sorry for your loss.

Elwood · 01-12-2007, 10:38 PM

Maybe if I pronounced it Missourah, they would live.

SparKy697 · 01-12-2007, 10:41 PM

The droplets on the underside of the lid are from the water vapor rising from the tank and hitting the relatively cool tank lid. This is the same as the condensation that develops on the side of a cold, umm lets say soft drink, on a warm summer day.

What is your water temperature doing after water changes?

LandGhoti · 01-12-2007, 10:42 PM

Well I do have one other loach, the yoyo. Fingers crossed he doesn't know what state he lives in.

**Zagz** · 01-12-2007, 10:43 PM

In order to treat ich, the heat method works the best. Turn temps up to 87F slowly and keep the temp there for 2 weeks after the last spot of ich is gone. Loaches are prone to ich I swear. Also add aeration to the water when temps are up. Hopefully if you try them again in the future this will help.

SparKy697 · 01-12-2007, 10:45 PM

Isn't salt also recommended with the high temp method of treating ich?

Elwood · 01-12-2007, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SparKy697

What is your water temperature doing after water changes?

I make sure the water is the same temp before adding it back to the tank.

coldmachineUK · 01-13-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zagz

Loaches are prone to ich I swear

For sure, and they're difficult to cure from it as well unfortunately. They don't tolerate swings in temp, don't like high temps, and medication is usually a Bad Thing (TM) for them because they are scaleless.
They are also intolerant to (aquarium) salt.

Just be super careful using the heat treatment method. Add salt if you must, but I'd halve the normal recommended dose for ich treatment.

I also highly recommend EsHA Exit Anti-Whitespot/Velvet treatment. This is specifically designed with scaleless fish in mind, so no worrying about dosage levels or killing your fish in any attempt to help them like you might with other meds!

If you raise the temp, btw, then always add an extra airstone when it comes to a tank with loaches in...

Cinder · 01-13-2007, 04:04 PM

Maybe I missed it but what size tank are these fish in? What type of loaches? If they are Clown loaches they need to be in a very large tank (minimum 120 gln. as they mature) as do Bala sharks since they are so high-strung and get large also. Both of those also need to be in shoals of at least three fish to be really happy. Most loaches need several others of their kind to be healthy and happy. I am wondering if you have them in too small of a tank and without companions? That could lead to stress very quickly and cause the issues above.
I also agree that raising the temp and holding it there is the best solution for Ick.

01-12-2007, 10:32 PM	#1
Elwood Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: missouri, usa Posts: 42	loaches= deep 6 I can not keep loaches alive. I really like them. Bala Sharks either. Other than the lack of scales I can't think of why they are dying. Usually to ick. I have my tank at 78 degrees. Also, I get water droplets on the underside of my tank cover. Is that from the water heat? __________________ Elwood P. Dowd

01-12-2007, 10:34 PM	#2
LandGhoti Aquarium Advice FINatic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Le Midwest Posts: 819 Images: 1	Maybe it's a Missouri thing. I'm in St. Louis. My zebra loach committed suicide tonight for no apparent reason. Bottom feeders jumping out? Whatever. Sorry for your loss. __________________ Andrea 29-gallon FW 1 yoyo loach, 2 polkadot loaches, 6 cherry barbs, 2 turquoise rainbows, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 rubberlip pleco, too many MTS to count

01-12-2007, 10:38 PM	#3
Elwood Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: missouri, usa Posts: 42	Maybe if I pronounced it Missourah, they would live. __________________ Elwood P. Dowd

01-12-2007, 10:41 PM	#4
SparKy697 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 1,211 Images: 3	The droplets on the underside of the lid are from the water vapor rising from the tank and hitting the relatively cool tank lid. This is the same as the condensation that develops on the side of a cold, umm lets say soft drink, on a warm summer day. What is your water temperature doing after water changes? __________________ -Joe Click "My Info" for tank information. My 55g Tank Log Read About The Nitrogen Cycle Read About The Fishless Cycle

01-12-2007, 10:42 PM	#5
LandGhoti Aquarium Advice FINatic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Le Midwest Posts: 819 Images: 1	Well I do have one other loach, the yoyo. Fingers crossed he doesn't know what state he lives in. __________________ Andrea 29-gallon FW 1 yoyo loach, 2 polkadot loaches, 6 cherry barbs, 2 turquoise rainbows, 1 chinese algae eater, 1 rubberlip pleco, too many MTS to count

01-12-2007, 10:43 PM	#6
Zagz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Admin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 10,882 Images: 92	In order to treat ich, the heat method works the best. Turn temps up to 87F slowly and keep the temp there for 2 weeks after the last spot of ich is gone. Loaches are prone to ich I swear. Also add aeration to the water when temps are up. Hopefully if you try them again in the future this will help. __________________ ------------ Anne My Profile Page My tank & fish photos. Have you voted for AA today? Like the advice or comments someone gave you? Show your appreciation with the reputation button!

01-12-2007, 10:45 PM	#7
SparKy697 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 1,211 Images: 3	Isn't salt also recommended with the high temp method of treating ich? __________________ -Joe Click "My Info" for tank information. My 55g Tank Log Read About The Nitrogen Cycle Read About The Fishless Cycle

01-13-2007, 04:04 PM	#10
Cinder Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	Maybe I missed it but what size tank are these fish in? What type of loaches? If they are Clown loaches they need to be in a very large tank (minimum 120 gln. as they mature) as do Bala sharks since they are so high-strung and get large also. Both of those also need to be in shoals of at least three fish to be really happy. Most loaches need several others of their kind to be healthy and happy. I am wondering if you have them in too small of a tank and without companions? That could lead to stress very quickly and cause the issues above. I also agree that raising the temp and holding it there is the best solution for Ick.

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