Nitrate / Nitrite & Ammonia - New 600 ltr tank. - Aquarium Advice

Tomiam · 05-11-2006, 02:30 PM

Hiya,

A week ago I filled up my second hand 600 ltr tank (been a 17yr long ambition of mine to get one

) with sand, artifical plants and water.
The sand has been used in the tank before, but I did wash it through a bit in order to remove as much of the much as possible.

Its been a week since I started the tank running (Ive had the heaters on as well) and I took my first readings with the master test kit.
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0 ppm
Nitrate = 10 ppm

Ive read that the tank is ready for a few fish at this point. Although... Im sceptical and would like some much needed advice. (I want to get this right for the fish).

As I understand the cycle.
1) Ammonia levels increase to a peak.
2) Nitrite levels increase to a peak as the Ammonia drops.
3) Nitrite levels drop and Nitrate increases a bit.
4) Introduce a few fish depends on tank size / filtration etc.

Do I need to wait until the Nitrate shows at 0ppm?
Any advice welcomed and I thank you in advance

EDIT: I should perhaps point out some other info.
1) Tank is tropical 27 deg c
2) Filtration comes from 2 x Ehiems. 1 x 1000 ltr canister and 1 x 300 ltr thermo canister.
3) Sand had slightly decaying organic matter in it (tank waste) from the previous tank.

Thebluyak · 05-11-2006, 02:33 PM

the nitrates should never show 0ppms, if it does that means your tank is not cycled and it hasnt reached its end. Based on those numbers you should be ready, but remember every fish you add is going to up the amonnia which will up the nitrites which will up the nitrates. You do water changes to get rid of the nitrates and keep them at an acceptable level. In my opinion if the nitrates show red its time to do a water change. HTH
Ryan

Tomiam · 05-11-2006, 02:35 PM

Thanks - I will fill up the "fish buckets" tonight and do a PWC tomorrow.

severum mama · 05-11-2006, 02:46 PM

Have you been dosing pure ammonia to start a fishless cycle? I would be surprised if your tank had cycled in a week. You may just have nitrates in your tap water. This article may help you:
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=15
It says it's for saltwater, but the process works the same way in freshwater too.

Menagerie · 05-11-2006, 02:50 PM

I need clarification. Has this tank been running for a week with no ammonia source other than what may be in the sand?

Quote:

Its been a week since I started the tank running (Ive had the heaters on as well) and I took my first readings with the master test kit.
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0 ppm
Nitrate = 10 ppm

Was there an ammonia or nitrite reading? I don't see how this very large tank cycled in a week's time with only debris in the sand the nitrate reading does not make sense.

Are you going to cycle the tank with fish? Have you read the article on fishless cycling?

Tomiam · 05-11-2006, 03:34 PM

To answer the above questions.
-- No I have not been adding any ammonia to the water. I figured that the bits of debris in the sand would release enough ammonia without me adding any more.
-- I have ZERO plans to cycle with fish. Up to others what they do, but I do not consider it to be the option for me.
-- Thank you for the link to the article on cycling, and yep Ive read that one & the others found by doing a search on this forum / google. I remember my days when I was 17 yr old (quite a lot of time ago...

) when I ran two 4ft tanks and can mostly remember the cycle.

I agree the nitrate reading surprised me. I have checked that Ive read the correct labels on the bottles and also checked that I followed the exact instructions listed in the Freshwater Master Kit manual. If I had gotten those readings 2 weeks+ down the line I wouldnt have posted to be honest. Its the line in the above linked guide which says "When the tank tests negative (0.00) for ammonia and nitrite your ready for your first fish or two. ", and Im thinking.. hmmm that all happened a bit too fast.

Tomiam · 05-12-2006, 01:44 PM

Ok..
I have done all three tests again this evening (24hrs after I did the ones above).

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 10

Afterwards I did a 10% PWC with water I had left standing for 24 hrs.

One thing I have noticed is that on the largest piece of bogwood there are three small patches of 'white fur'. Hardly noticeable unless you are looking very close for it. These are about 2cm in size.

Any thoughts on wether the 'white fur' is normal for this stage or not would be welcomed. As of course would be any ones experience / feedback etc.

rich311k · 05-12-2006, 01:57 PM

It is not unusual for new driftwood. It is a fungus in the wood which will die off on it own. Nothing to worry about.

SCFatz · 05-12-2006, 02:01 PM

Have you checked you source water for nitrates as severum mama suggested?

I think that may be the key to unlocking this mystery.

Tomiam · 05-12-2006, 02:40 PM

/hangs head in embarrassement.

I wrote a note to myself last night to check the tap water today, and errr... didnt do it.
Ive just checked the tap water and its showing Nitrate as 10... Thanks Severum Mama and SCFatz

Feel a little stupid for not thinking of that and also forgetting to check - still least I know where the nitrates are coming from now.

Would I be right in saying that the tank has yet to start cycling properly then and that Im now waiting on the ammonia levels to rise, followed by the nitrites.

Thanks again for the support thus far - its very much appreciated.

05-11-2006, 02:30 PM	#1
Tomiam Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 44	Nitrate / Nitrite & Ammonia - New 600 ltr tank. Hiya, A week ago I filled up my second hand 600 ltr tank (been a 17yr long ambition of mine to get one ) with sand, artifical plants and water. The sand has been used in the tank before, but I did wash it through a bit in order to remove as much of the much as possible. Its been a week since I started the tank running (Ive had the heaters on as well) and I took my first readings with the master test kit. Ammonia = 0 Nitrite = 0 ppm Nitrate = 10 ppm Ive read that the tank is ready for a few fish at this point. Although... Im sceptical and would like some much needed advice. (I want to get this right for the fish). As I understand the cycle. 1) Ammonia levels increase to a peak. 2) Nitrite levels increase to a peak as the Ammonia drops. 3) Nitrite levels drop and Nitrate increases a bit. 4) Introduce a few fish depends on tank size / filtration etc. Do I need to wait until the Nitrate shows at 0ppm? Any advice welcomed and I thank you in advance EDIT: I should perhaps point out some other info. 1) Tank is tropical 27 deg c 2) Filtration comes from 2 x Ehiems. 1 x 1000 ltr canister and 1 x 300 ltr thermo canister. 3) Sand had slightly decaying organic matter in it (tank waste) from the previous tank.

05-11-2006, 02:46 PM	#4
severum mama Aquarium Advice Addict Community Mentor Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,771 Images: 22	Have you been dosing pure ammonia to start a fishless cycle? I would be surprised if your tank had cycled in a week. You may just have nitrates in your tap water. This article may help you: http://www.aquariumadvice.com/articl...q=2&fldAuto=15 It says it's for saltwater, but the process works the same way in freshwater too. __________________ WE CAN STAGE A RUNAWAY GOLF CART MARATHON 5 gallon, 45 gallon, and 55 gallon planted 75 gallon SA/CA cichlids 8 gallon Oceanic BioCube nano reef

05-12-2006, 02:01 PM	#9
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05-11-2006, 02:33 PM	#2
Thebluyak Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: where the wild things are (NC) Posts: 378	the nitrates should never show 0ppms, if it does that means your tank is not cycled and it hasnt reached its end. Based on those numbers you should be ready, but remember every fish you add is going to up the amonnia which will up the nitrites which will up the nitrates. You do water changes to get rid of the nitrates and keep them at an acceptable level. In my opinion if the nitrates show red its time to do a water change. HTH Ryan

05-11-2006, 02:35 PM	#3
Tomiam Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 44	Thanks - I will fill up the "fish buckets" tonight and do a PWC tomorrow.

05-11-2006, 03:34 PM	#6
Tomiam Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 44	To answer the above questions. -- No I have not been adding any ammonia to the water. I figured that the bits of debris in the sand would release enough ammonia without me adding any more. -- I have ZERO plans to cycle with fish. Up to others what they do, but I do not consider it to be the option for me. -- Thank you for the link to the article on cycling, and yep Ive read that one & the others found by doing a search on this forum / google. I remember my days when I was 17 yr old (quite a lot of time ago... ) when I ran two 4ft tanks and can mostly remember the cycle. I agree the nitrate reading surprised me. I have checked that Ive read the correct labels on the bottles and also checked that I followed the exact instructions listed in the Freshwater Master Kit manual. If I had gotten those readings 2 weeks+ down the line I wouldnt have posted to be honest. Its the line in the above linked guide which says "When the tank tests negative (0.00) for ammonia and nitrite your ready for your first fish or two. ", and Im thinking.. hmmm that all happened a bit too fast.

05-12-2006, 01:44 PM	#7
Tomiam Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 44	Ok.. I have done all three tests again this evening (24hrs after I did the ones above). Ammonia: 0 Nitrite: 0 Nitrate: 10 Afterwards I did a 10% PWC with water I had left standing for 24 hrs. One thing I have noticed is that on the largest piece of bogwood there are three small patches of 'white fur'. Hardly noticeable unless you are looking very close for it. These are about 2cm in size. Any thoughts on wether the 'white fur' is normal for this stage or not would be welcomed. As of course would be any ones experience / feedback etc.

05-12-2006, 01:57 PM	#8
rich311k Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 8,972 Images: 35	It is not unusual for new driftwood. It is a fungus in the wood which will die off on it own. Nothing to worry about.

05-12-2006, 02:40 PM	#10
Tomiam Aquarium Advice Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 44	/hangs head in embarrassement. I wrote a note to myself last night to check the tap water today, and errr... didnt do it. Ive just checked the tap water and its showing Nitrate as 10... Thanks Severum Mama and SCFatz Feel a little stupid for not thinking of that and also forgetting to check - still least I know where the nitrates are coming from now. Would I be right in saying that the tank has yet to start cycling properly then and that Im now waiting on the ammonia levels to rise, followed by the nitrites. Thanks again for the support thus far - its very much appreciated.