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Old 11-05-2006, 07:55 AM   #1
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Pacus, Arowanas, and Other Tank Busters. A Discussion

There have been many threads on the proper care and housing of these species. The overwhelming comment is unless you're prepared to have hundreds of gallons don't bother. My thinking is a bit outside the box as I've seen pacus and arowanas kept for years leading perfectly happy lives in aquariums that they will eventually out grow.

I don't think these fish are for the novice or the hobbyist on a budget, but I can think of a few reasons where caring for, and enjoying these fish might be practical. Any thoughts?
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I'd love to hear the "practical" reasons for raising these fish - the only practical reasons I can think of are food (I've heard that some Pacu owners resort to eating their pets when they just can't find another way to house them) or research.
Personally I don't think these fish should be sold in the likes of Petsmart or an Pet Shops (ie: stores that carry both fish and other pets / pet supplies). It gives the wrong impression that they are "just like any other fish" - which they are not due to their size. I'd say the same for Oscars. I'd like to see them only in specialty shops and would even go so far as to see that they be "special order" only - at least that way you'd know that folks have done their research first and those "impulse purchases" would be eliminated. Of course, that's JMHO.

Perhaps a discussion on the "practical reasons" you meantion could convince me that I'm a bit too rigid here. Would love to hear from you and others.
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lol, the only person i know of that has a pacu is a museum owner in town. He has it in a 300gal tank which used to house a caiman.

Here is a practical reason to own a pacu. so you can feed your enemies to it, lol

I really cant think of any practical reasons
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Going with the majority on this one. Oscars, pacus and even arrowanas to a certain extent are to often sold as run of the mill when in reality, they are tank busters and should be purchased with this as a priority in mind. Undoubtably, the majority of these sold end up traded back in, killed, neglected, crammed into a tank they cannot turn aournd in and thought of as a dog like pet.

Maybe the mentaility of the store owner is "I know this fish is going to end up huge and this dumby is going to have to purchase a bigger setup of more expensive equipment to house Junior"
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Aren't tank-busters also typically 'big-personality' fish? It seems to be the case with oscars at least. I think that it is misleading to sell them as your everyday run-of-the-mill, stays-under-6in fish. It's really sort of disturbing the effects of stunted growth, as can be seen at http://www.oscarfish.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=605
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I love thought provoking discussions. Again, I bring it up just for the sake of discussion.

I didn't mention oscars but knew they would be brought up. Most if not all of the oscars sold are bred in captivity. There have been many varieties developed. If fish spawn what should be done with the fry? Are they not better off with someone who will give them the best possible care for as long as they can?
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I don't agree with keeping fish like this at all.
Unless you have a HUGE tank your just making the fish's life miserable.
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I love thought provoking discussions. Again, I bring it up just for the sake of discussion ... <snip> ... If fish spawn what should be done with the fry? Are they not better off with someone who will give them the best possible care for as long as they can?
I too like this thought provoking thread, so for that I thank you.

But on the question above .... Um - NO. Spawning should be restricted. Its supply and demand - because the supply is high the price is cheap and the demand is high as a result. I'd bet that the vast majority of people buy these fish without knowing what they are committing (or SHOULD BE committing)to .
If they DO lay eggs those eggs should be culled. PLUS ... what happens after "as long as they can" occurs ?? And how many people are going to give up their "big fish" that they've had for years and years, so it can have a better home ? AND how many of those "better homes" are really available ?
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But the fish are here and alive now Esra. Won't one or two live a happier healthier life under the caring of someone that wants them? Surely you aren't saying that all of the oscars in all of the pet shops around the world should remain there. Or worse thrown out with the bath water?
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No i think that's true.
Like i said they shouldn't be kept unless you have a huge system.
In Australia we have the RSPCA.
I always wonder why it is that if i was to try and buy a horse and bring it back to my apartment they would be all over me.
However i could go to any aquarium i wanted and order an enormous wish and noone asks any questions.
It's the age old human problem of the animal not making a noise.

Just think about it, it's always the animals that are silent that people wrongly assume are ok in their current setup.
Same with snakes, lizards and other large animals. The animal moves and eats and people assume they're ok.

Fish like this need to be regulated otherwise it's crue.
Why not make them order only?
That way when you order one you can be informed with a mandatory pack or something.
Just being able to walk in and buy an arowana is wrong.
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