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Old 10-21-2014, 10:55 PM   #21
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Do you get much smell with that?
With the 29 gallon, it smelled a bit, but it was in an open aerated area, so it didn't get too bad. And the shrimp was in a little net sack tied near the surface, so I think that brought the smell to the surface. With the 3 gallon and current 10 gallon, the shrimp was loose, and sank to the bottom, so it never ever smelled.
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That in itself is why I dont recommend it. The gist is that ot uses a different type of bacteria for nitrification.

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Do you mean hetero bacteria as a different type?
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Yes. We know that the nitrifying bacteria found in our aquariums does not have a spore form, so that means that the kind they use is not the same kind that naturally occurs in our systems.
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Well, even if it doesn't naturally occur in our systems, it seems to work for the most part. The safest bet is to cycle normally... Let's say stability bacteria does nitrify, eventually the natural bacteria will build up as well, so I believe in that sense, it could work.

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Out of interest I found the bacteria for API quick start. Listed just below section 3 on the right hand side in the PDF (supposedly). CAS 7732-18-5 is actually just water (got sidetracked on that before I saw what it was lol).



http://www.apifishcare.com/pdf/RM001...-25-005_AM.pdf
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Well, even if it doesn't naturally occur in our systems, it seems to work for the most part. The safest bet is to cycle normally... Let's say stability bacteria does nitrify, eventually the natural bacteria will build up as well, so I believe in that sense, it could work.

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Yes, but the whole idea is to use a product that has the naturally occurring bacteria in it so that the real biofilter is being built, rather than using a substitute and hoping for the best. If there were no other options, I get it, but Tetra Safestart and Dr Tims (as well as seeded media) have proven to be the best methods to use. And in the case of Dr Tims there is plenty of data and paperwork out there that has been freely published on the subject, which is about the direct opposite of what you find with most of the other bacteria in a bottle suppliers.

To me it's like push starting a stick shift car instead of buying a new battery for it.

As mentioned, Safestart can be hit and miss sometimes depending on how it was handled. I don't know how much that has changed since it was first introduced, but originally biospira was a refrigerated product. I know that some of the fish wholesalers still sell a refrigerated liquid product to seed new store tanks.
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Does anyone know for a fact if Tetra SafeStart uses the right kind of bacteria? I'm thinking of going for that one, as it's readily available to me. I will be using it fishless, in case it doesn't work out the first time.
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Out of interest I found the bacteria for API quick start. Listed just below section 3 on the right hand side in the PDF (supposedly). CAS 7732-18-5 is actually just water (got sidetracked on that before I saw what it was lol).



http://www.apifishcare.com/pdf/RM001...-25-005_AM.pdf
Are those bacteria the right bacteria found in the aquarium? It says nitrosomonas eutropha and nitrobacter winogradski.
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Steachem Stability or another bottled bacteria?

nitrosomonas matches some notes I have. Also see wiki

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrosomonas

The other one I'm not so sure about - away from desktop.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrobacter

Edit - there is 40% of solution not listed though. Also what does <1% mean??? My tap water would say the say thing.
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nitrosomonas matches some notes I have. Also see wiki

Nitrosomonas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The other one I'm not so sure about - away from desktop.

Nitrobacter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit - there is 40% of solution not listed though. Also what does <1% mean??? My tap water would say the say thing.
<1% means less that 1 percent, so there is a very small amount of the 2 bacteria mentioned. And you are right, there is some percentages missing in order to reach to 100%. I wonder why they chose to leave it out.
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