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Old 04-04-2005, 03:32 PM   #1
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Stocking Decisions. . . (long?)

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I've been struggling with what to do with my stocking list for my 30g long. . . the tentative list is as follows:

6 pearl danios
6 another schooler - more danios or tetras
3-5 cory cats
3 loaches (yoyos most likely)

and now, for the problem. . .

1 angel
2 dwarf gourami

The last two are my current dilemma - I love angels and gourami and was somewhat dead set on having both in the tank. Well, with some careful (and wise, imo) considerations, I've decided it would be better for all involved (me and the fish) to go with one or the other.

Now, I understand that angels can be aggressive and it is recommended 10 gallons (estimated) per angel as well as a taller tank rather than shorter. If I went angels, I'd get 3 and no gourami. Opinions on that?

Now, then, gourami - if no angels, I'd say probably 3 to 5 gourami, but then I'm wondering about size limits. I don't think having five 5" adult gourami in a 30 gal is too wise, considering the rest of the above fish load/list. Would 3 gourami, then, cooperate well enough?


I have researched both species and have no conclusive info on their behaviors, so I was hoping for some advice from you, the 'experts' who've dealt with these exact fish. . .
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:33 PM   #2
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I've had angels and gourami's and absolutely love both fish. If it were me, I would have 3 Gourami's in the tank. It looks like you have done your research, that's always a GREAT thing to see.
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:41 PM   #3
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Fishy, that's the way I've been leanin the past few days. . .

I'll have to wait for a larger, species tank for angels, I guess. I did see a dime sized silver angel @ the lfs Sunday and almost bought him on impulse.

Do I have to stick to the same sub-species of gourami? Didn't I read in a thread here somewhere that a gourami is a gourami and they'll all be fine w/ each other?
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:41 PM   #4
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I like angels more than gourami's. I think you could have three in that tank. If you start with small ones, you could go with four or five, with the idea that when they get near full size you might be down to three. I know, pessimistic thinking. But it can be harder to add angels to a tank that has some in it, than it would be to remove one or two because they are getting too large.

so, looks like you have to decide which you like more!
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Do I have to stick to the same sub-species of gourami?
I don't believe that you have to. I just know that they like to be with other Gourami's. But if you want to breed them, stick with the same ones.
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:53 PM   #6
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TomK2 - tempting. . . would you consider gouramis and angels the same 'bioload' per inch? Like 3 5" angels would be the same as 3 5" gourami as far as my water quality is concerned?

I have no intentions (at this point) of breeding gouramis - btw, what do you do with all those fry, assuming you have even a dozen survive?
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I would stick them in their own smaller tank, grow them out, and take the ones that I didn't want to the lfs.
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One thing to watch out - Yo Yo loach may snipe at gouramis
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Old 04-04-2005, 07:10 PM   #9
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Really? I don't recall seeing anything about yoyos that made me think they were anything less than ideally peaceful. Thanks for the headsup and back to my research, then!
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Old 04-04-2005, 07:14 PM   #10
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You do know dwarf gouramis only grow to about 2", right? Trichogaster trichopterus (blue, gold, and opaline) and Trichogaster leeri (pearl) usually do not even grow over 4", in fact usually stay less than that (from what I've seen and read). I have an adult female blue gourami which is about 3".
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i dont know about that it might cause the gouramis some what of some agression dont you think!!! theres got to be a reason for the pet stores to say to me to put gouramis with gouramis and cichlids with cichlids!!!!! you know!!!
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You can mix species in tanks. Gouramis don't have to necessarily only be with other gouramis. And some cichlids can be put with other fish besides cichlids. Ie- South American's, a couple Africans.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:41 AM   #13
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RoK - Yes I know about dwarf gourami's adult size; I had only been considering them alongside the angels - w/out angels, I would get standard gourami. . . but so many colors to choose from.

cichlid555 - I grew up watching a 55 gallon tank that housed 3 angels and 5 gourami. . . and can't remember a single serious injury. The problem I do remember is angels picking on the 'new' angels.

I was a little afraid of the gourami getting larger than the 4", as I remember seeing 5" everywhere - if so, that's great! More fish for me.

That cichlid post got me thinking - gourami and blue rams or some other dwarf cichlid that won't eat everyone. . . suggestions of 'less agressive' cichlids?
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Are you wanting to do South American or African Cichlids? When you say the Blue Ram I am assuming you mean South American. If I am wrong, let me know.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:16 PM   #15
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Well, afaik, African's are the aggresive cichlids, so I'd say South American - I will admit I haven't looked too far into cichlids as a consideration, as I didn't know there were too many that would work in a community setting.

Of course, now that I have research to do, I have work coming out my ears. :|
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Wait a tic - I just saw
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"More suitable would be the severum (Heros species), the angelfish (Pterophyllum species), and the festivum (Mesonauta species)."
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Ack, 6" adult size. . . what's the 'real' size in a tank?

I can so see these next to some gourami - any experience with Festivum?
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Oh yeh, (last reply to myself, I swear!) I was also looking for suggestions for the second shoal of 'schooling' fish . . . are there options I'm not aware of aside from danios and tetras?

I was just reminded of rasboras, which are another favorite of mine. . . anything else come to mind right away?
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Oh yeh, (last reply to myself, I swear!) I was also looking for suggestions for the second shoal of 'schooling' fish . . . are there options I'm not aware of aside from danios and tetras?

I was just reminded of rasboras, which are another favorite of mine. . . anything else come to mind right away?
What about Tiger Barbs?
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I have had good luck keeping Angels with Gourimis, I have 2 gouramis, 3 angels in my 55 gall, along with tetras, mollies, swordails, a clown loach and 3 corydoras. So far so good but I am only about a month into my 55 gallon.
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Old 04-06-2005, 10:43 AM   #20
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Tony - I really haven't been impressed with any barbs that I've seen - and aren't Tiger Barbs known for aggression?

pitt420dude - my parents kept a 55 with angels and gourami as well without any real problems. . . but I have a 30 gallon long - not a lot of room for 3 angels and 5 gourami.

So if I'm getting 3-5 gourami of different sub-species (one 3 spot, one pearl, etc) how should I sex them? Also, can I mix gourami and dwarf gourami safely?
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