Substrates for my 55gal - Aquarium Advice

Japola44 · 04-05-2006, 08:00 PM

Ok so i am completly redoing my 55gal. I am soo sick of the plants in there and the fact i can barely gravel vac my gross white sand. I was planning to set it up like a chiclid tank. What I mean by that is having sand (if possible) and just a bunch of rock caves. The only occupants are my 2 senegal bichirs, my platinum gourami, and if my snail problem continues after resetting up my tank 3 skunk loaches.
So my current sand is Moonlight White Aquarium Sand by CaribSea. I hate it.... its white and gross from plant debris and fish waste, that i cant pick up with mygravel vac without sucking up all the sand.
I have two other substrates in mind...
Pool Filter Sand, Is it heavy enough to not get sucked up by the gravel vac?
or
Eco Complete African Chiclid Sand, I got shipped two bags of it on accident, and the store is letting me keep them so i just have it sitting around. I think its also pretty fine but its darker so it would be harder to see al the grime.

Any Ideas?

nitrous · 04-05-2006, 08:05 PM

i can vac my pfs just fine without sucking much up but if you do it wont be much just try and move the vac around the surface of the sand and then itll fly up and then suck it up, it works well

the thing i like about my pfs is its so cheap, 12 dollars for 100 lbs for my 55 gallon

Japola44 · 04-05-2006, 08:16 PM

I just read the chiclid sand buffers the water...so i can't use it.

Some one needs to invent a high density sand for aquariums.

Does anyone know about maybe some other kinds of sands, used in landscaping or something that might be heavy? It doesn't need to be the smallest grain size, but i just dont like the look of gravel. My bichirs also enjoy the softer substrate.

Wizzard~Of~Ozz · 04-05-2006, 08:31 PM

If you are intending to replant it, you may want to look into "Profile". It's the sand used at good golf courses. Similar to florite but much finer (1mm grain size) and it doesn't compact. Usually about 10-15$ for 50lbs and It's a light brown. Just a thought. I'm not sure of the weight other then it's 50lbs in 1 bag..

Japola44 · 04-05-2006, 08:38 PM

I'm taking out the plants too much of a hassel to keep replanting all my horn wort and ancharis everyday, silly bichirs don't understand that they cant swim through a plant stem. Also, I want to save all my plant keeping energy for my new 50gal. I think i will go with the PFS, unless anybody knows of anything else i could use?

RoK · 04-05-2006, 10:56 PM

Hornwort actually shouldn't be planted. It should be left floating because the part that's under the substrate will die, according to T.F.H. magazine anyway. Anacharis doesn't have to be planted in the substrate either.

Japola44 · 04-06-2006, 12:23 AM

well, i can tell my ancharis and hornwort are doing just fine floating around, but it just makes the tank look messy. I am going to get rid of all the plants except my java ferns, and some ancharis, but I am going to make it very scarce. Driftwood and slate rocks pretty much. I am just going to make a bunch of caves out of slate. I want it to be like a desert aquarium (kinda an oxymoron haha) and have my 50gal be a contrast of a lush jungle aquarium.

Lonewolfblue · 04-06-2006, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoK

Hornwort actually shouldn't be planted. It should be left floating because the part that's under the substrate will die, according to T.F.H. magazine anyway. Anacharis doesn't have to be planted in the substrate either.

As for planting in the substrate, part of the burried part will die off, but part will form kind of like anchors to help hold it in the substrate. Mine is doing just fine planted in the substrate, i have to prune 2 times a week.

Jarred Darque · 04-06-2006, 03:19 AM

The only problem with not planting anacharis is that the roots will grow all the way down until they find substrate and that looks like crap

I am plannin on getting Tahitian Moon Sand for my next tank around 75 gallons. I had a senegal, I find they look great on a dark colored sand, TMS is black, and kinda grainy, heavy enough not to be gravel vaced up. the only problem iwth it is that it has some slight metallic propeties, and can get stuck to the filter walls near the magnet. (this can be stopped by obstructing water flow with nylon or a prefilter before this point though)

**Fishyfanatic** · 04-06-2006, 09:44 AM

Pool Filter sand is an excellent choice. I move it around with the Python at every water change. IF I lose some, it's minimal.

04-05-2006, 08:00 PM	#1
Japola44 Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 491 Images: 12	Substrates for my 55gal Ok so i am completly redoing my 55gal. I am soo sick of the plants in there and the fact i can barely gravel vac my gross white sand. I was planning to set it up like a chiclid tank. What I mean by that is having sand (if possible) and just a bunch of rock caves. The only occupants are my 2 senegal bichirs, my platinum gourami, and if my snail problem continues after resetting up my tank 3 skunk loaches. So my current sand is Moonlight White Aquarium Sand by CaribSea. I hate it.... its white and gross from plant debris and fish waste, that i cant pick up with mygravel vac without sucking up all the sand. I have two other substrates in mind... Pool Filter Sand, Is it heavy enough to not get sucked up by the gravel vac? or Eco Complete African Chiclid Sand, I got shipped two bags of it on accident, and the store is letting me keep them so i just have it sitting around. I think its also pretty fine but its darker so it would be harder to see al the grime. Any Ideas? __________________ -Julia "it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone..." The Heart of Darkness

04-05-2006, 08:05 PM	#2
nitrous Aquarium Advice FINatic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: chicago ridge, illinois Posts: 801 Images: 6	i can vac my pfs just fine without sucking much up but if you do it wont be much just try and move the vac around the surface of the sand and then itll fly up and then suck it up, it works well the thing i like about my pfs is its so cheap, 12 dollars for 100 lbs for my 55 gallon __________________ 20 [acronym="Gallon"]gal[/acronym]-plants and 2 red zebra chiclids 15 [acronym="Gallon"]gal[/acronym]- shark tank 36 [acronym="Gallon"]gal[/acronym]-3 yellow labs 3 red zebra 1 jewel/plants

04-05-2006, 08:16 PM	#3
Japola44 Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 491 Images: 12	I just read the chiclid sand buffers the water...so i can't use it. Some one needs to invent a high density sand for aquariums. Does anyone know about maybe some other kinds of sands, used in landscaping or something that might be heavy? It doesn't need to be the smallest grain size, but i just dont like the look of gravel. My bichirs also enjoy the softer substrate. __________________ -Julia "it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone..." The Heart of Darkness

04-05-2006, 08:31 PM	#4
Wizzard~Of~Ozz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Mentor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,015 Images: 2	If you are intending to replant it, you may want to look into "Profile". It's the sand used at good golf courses. Similar to florite but much finer (1mm grain size) and it doesn't compact. Usually about 10-15$ for 50lbs and It's a light brown. Just a thought. I'm not sure of the weight other then it's 50lbs in 1 bag.. __________________ 120 Gal SW, 150lbs Prem. Fiji, 23Gal Sump, 2x250w 15K MH, 4x65w Actinic 3 x Halichoeres Chrysus (1 surfed), 3 x Nemateleotris magnifica, 1 x Centropyge bicolor, 11 x Scarlet Hermits, 6 x Zebra Hermits, 40 x Astrea Snails, 6 x Nassarius Snails, 3 x Cerith Snails

04-05-2006, 08:38 PM	#5
Japola44 Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 491 Images: 12	I'm taking out the plants too much of a hassel to keep replanting all my horn wort and ancharis everyday, silly bichirs don't understand that they cant swim through a plant stem. Also, I want to save all my plant keeping energy for my new 50gal. I think i will go with the PFS, unless anybody knows of anything else i could use? __________________ -Julia "it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone..." The Heart of Darkness

04-05-2006, 10:56 PM	#6
RoK Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,224 Images: 11	Hornwort actually shouldn't be planted. It should be left floating because the part that's under the substrate will die, according to T.F.H. magazine anyway. Anacharis doesn't have to be planted in the substrate either. __________________ Current fish (includes all 8 running tanks): Gouramis, polypterids, SA cichlids, convicts, rainbows, plecos, loaches, ACFs, a platy, tetra, & a Ctenopoma

04-06-2006, 12:23 AM	#7
Japola44 Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 491 Images: 12	well, i can tell my ancharis and hornwort are doing just fine floating around, but it just makes the tank look messy. I am going to get rid of all the plants except my java ferns, and some ancharis, but I am going to make it very scarce. Driftwood and slate rocks pretty much. I am just going to make a bunch of caves out of slate. I want it to be like a desert aquarium (kinda an oxymoron haha) and have my 50gal be a contrast of a lush jungle aquarium. __________________ -Julia "it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one's existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone..." The Heart of Darkness

04-06-2006, 03:19 AM	#9
Jarred Darque Aquarium Advice FINatic Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 666	The only problem with not planting anacharis is that the roots will grow all the way down until they find substrate and that looks like crap I am plannin on getting Tahitian Moon Sand for my next tank around 75 gallons. I had a senegal, I find they look great on a dark colored sand, TMS is black, and kinda grainy, heavy enough not to be gravel vaced up. the only problem iwth it is that it has some slight metallic propeties, and can get stuck to the filter walls near the magnet. (this can be stopped by obstructing water flow with nylon or a prefilter before this point though)

04-06-2006, 09:44 AM	#10
Fishyfanatic Aquarium Advice Addict Community Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,303 Images: 15	Pool Filter sand is an excellent choice. I move it around with the Python at every water change. IF I lose some, it's minimal. __________________ Vote for Aquarium Advice 10 Gallon Lake Malawi Cichlid Fry 29 Gallon Community 55 Gallon Community 55 Gallon Lake Malawi Cichlid Fry 150 Gallon Lake Malawi Cichlid

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