Which of these canister filters are better?

Hey all,
Planning on buying a canister filter this weekend for my 29 gallon. Just wondering what you all thought which of these 2 would be better, and why? Please keep in my reliability, media capacity, etc.

I'm debating on:

Rena Filstar xp2/xp3

or

Fluval 304/404

Which is better and why?

[acronym:a39e7b7e05="Thanks in Advance"]TIA[/acronym:a39e7b7e05]
-Stewie

[StyleUK]

Well, lots of people use the Fluval's, but i've always liked the XP series, they seem to be quieter and well more effective, I think they also filter more [acronym:520587cac0="Gallons per hour"]GPH[/acronym:520587cac0], not sure though, might have to check on google and post back.

Have fun

[mitche8359]

I have a review of the 304 in the review section. I used to like Fluvals a lot. Until the last one I had lasted a little over a year. Too expensive for that short of a life. NOt sure if it's true, but when I went to [acronym:d6a6ba1ed1="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:d6a6ba1ed1] to get a new canister, they told me they hear my story a lot. Currently using Ecco without a problem. If that's an option.

[shawmutt]

I use an xp1, and have been very pleased with it.

OK thanks for the info guys.. Can anyone tell me of the fluval/filstar users how the media in the canister works out for them? It appears as tho the fluvals have a better choice for media. I'm still tossed up on it right now.. someone write something thats going to make me choose! lol
[acronym:6da2d94b63="Thanks in Advance"]TIA[/acronym:6da2d94b63]
-Stewie

[SerLunchbox]

well, i f i am not mistaken, the filter medias in both can be interchanged quite easily. Personally, i have seen a fluval work and it was louder and i didn't think it did that great of a job. Now, i actually spend the cash on an eheim canister filter and oh my goodness what a difference. The eheims may be a lesser [acronym:aabde85d39="Gallons per hour"]GPH[/acronym:aabde85d39] then others, but that is easily made up by the cleaning they do on the water. easy to clean and the newer models come with lots of nice toys on them.

But then again, that is all just my opinion

[megos1]

I work at a [acronym:97819a9c11="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:97819a9c11] and we sell both types of filters there. All of my customers tell me how much they love their Fluvals. Most [acronym:97819a9c11="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:97819a9c11] carry lots of different media (carbon, ammonia reducer, etc.) but I haven't seen much media for the XPs on our shelves. I hope some of this helped!
Good Luck with your choice.
PS, what type of fish do you have in your 30? :P

[apotocki]

I have an XP3 on my 70 and so far its great. Its fairly quiet and very easy to get going. There are separate media baskets that make it simple to change/clean the media. I was also considering a Fluval 404.....upon doing my research, I read quite a bit about potential by-pass issues with the way the media baskets were configured.....that swayed me to the XP3.

Alan

Thanks for the replies guys. I have 8 corys, 3 albino bn plecs (bout 2 inches) 7 glo light tetras, a neon tetra, and 2 head/tail light tetras. I used to have just 1 cory, 3 plecs, 2 head/tail lights but i picked up some fish from a girl that wanted to get rid of them. I know its over stocked, but the nitrates/ammonia/nitrites are fine.

Its still up in the air as to which kind i'm going to go with. I'm looking at a few things, but not noise. I have 4 comps, 29 [acronym:07b127c281="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:07b127c281] filter, 10 [acronym:07b127c281="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:07b127c281] filter and a [acronym:07b127c281="Under Gravel Filter"]UGF[/acronym:07b127c281] in my room, so noise is not an issue. What i'm looking for here is reliability, as well as how well the media works with each one. I'm still planning on running my [acronym:07b127c281="Hang On Back"]HOB[/acronym:07b127c281] filter in the tank for extra cleaning purposes, but i do need better bio filtration. I'm leaning towards the fluval even tho most ppl who have replied liked the xp's. There are pros and cons about each, so until i get to the [acronym:07b127c281="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:07b127c281] to check each of them out, I guess its still a toss up. If anyone has any other experiences/things to say, state them now!
I'm planning on going to get one tomorrow afternoon.
Thanks
-Stewie

[TankGirl]

Media is not really an issue when it comes to filters. They are empty boxes with motors, and the media is completely up to you. The filters have baskets so you can put in there what you want. I use Eheim ehfisubstrat pro in several of my filters, not just in the Eheims, so mixing and matching is not a problem. The XPs come with reusable sponges and usually ceramic noodles, also reusable, and I use loose filter floss that comes in a bag, and that gets changed regularly.

I like the XP series because I think they are marvelous filters for a very reasonable price, and otherwise I have only Eheims. The XP's have very easy to clean media baskets, so maintenance is pretty simple. If you did go with the Filstar series then I think an XP1 would be plenty.